Karri Ramo on waivers UPDATE: Clears, assigned to Stockton

[Poe969]

I'm going to go ahead and say that the coach and GM disagree with you. It may be your opinion that the Engelland signing is terrible but myself, others and obviously the coach and GM would venture to say that it's not bad at all.

[Cflames_12.5]

Don't know if this has been stated in here but I hope Ramo isn't taking Gilles playing time now. Gilles needs to play the bulk of the games. Gilles is our future #1 I am sure he'll pass Ortio on the depth chart very soon.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12.5

Don't know if this has been stated in here but I hope Ramo isn't taking Gilles playing time now. Gilles needs to play the bulk of the games. Gilles is our future #1 I am sure he'll pass Ortio on the depth chart very soon.

I don't think you have to worry about that. The Flames won't interfere with Gillies' development for a guy who won't be part of the organization in a few months. Ramo will probably just get the starts that Kent Simpson would have got (e.g. back-to-back games) and get called up as backup if one of Hiller and Ortio is injured.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Glad he cleared. Would have been terrible if Ramo was picked-off for free, and suddenly Hiller got injured.

Hopefully Ramo finds his game down there as well. You never know.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Glad he cleared. Would have been terrible if Ramo was picked-off for free, and suddenly Hiller got injured.

Hopefully Ramo finds his game down there as well. You never know.

Seriously? Having his 3.8 mil off the books gives them more flexibility. You don't pay a goalie that much money to be injury insurance. It's not the worst thing that he's going to Stockton, but I'm willing to bet Treliving was praying he would get claimed.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Seriously? Having his 3.8 mil off the books gives them more flexibility. You don't pay a goalie that much money to be injury insurance. It's not the worst thing that he's going to Stockton, but I'm willing to bet Treliving was praying he would get claimed.

it was probably a win/win situation. They surely would have been fine with him getting claimed because it would have cleared a big chunk of salary cap, but I don't think they are particularly sad or pissed over keeping him in the organization either. It's good insurance to have in case of injury, and like C4L says, maybe he finds his game again down there. Also who knows, maybe they can somehow flip Hiller for a pick at the deadline and then recall Ramo as Ortios backup for the last few weeks.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I don't think his 3.8 million is off the books. Maybe 900k of it

[Split98]

Originally Posted by crumpy-gunt

i don't think his 3.8 million is off the books. Maybe 900k of it

$950k:

Originally Posted by sureloss

pat steinberg @fan960steinberg
assignment to stockton likely later today. #flames

general fanager @generalfanager
ramo will presumably be assigned to ahl. If so, will continue to count for $2.85m against cap, $950,000 relief.

[Geeoff]

Brad screwed up on this one. Thankfully, it is only 1 year. He's an inexperienced GM, so hopefully he learns from this. 3-headed goalie monster never works.

[flambers]

Wonder if Ramo will ultimately be assigned to a club in Europe.

If he stays with the AHL club, have to think he would play very few games....

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Brad screwed up on this one. Thankfully, it is only 1 year. He's an inexperienced GM, so hopefully he learns from this. 3-headed goalie monster never works.

If that's his biggest screw up we are truly blessed.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Brad screwed up on this one. Thankfully, it is only 1 year. He's an inexperienced GM, so hopefully he learns from this. 3-headed goalie monster never works.

Every GM makes mistakes, even the best ones. This is basically nothing in the grand scheme of things unless you're that concerned about the owners being out $3m.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I don't think his 3.8 million is off the books. Maybe 900k of it

He meant it would be off the books if a team claimed him.

[adc]

While none of those 3 deals are going to win awards for best bang for your buck none of the deals are crippling deals that have prevented us from signing, trading for or adding anyone so it is hard to be overly critical of them.

Engelland- I really don't get how this was a bad signing unless you think that teams need 6 #1 guys to play on the team. He was signed to be the 6th defenseman and provide the team with tougness and character and to me he has done that very well, stepping up last year when needed as well. He was a better option than anyone else last year in the 6th role and this year as well is better than anyone else to fill in on the bottom pairing. He is a big step up from Smid and showed this year he is better in the short term than a young guy like Kulak.

Last year the Hawks won the cup basically not playing with a 6th defenseman and a times a 5th guy, They would have loved to have a guy like Endgelland to fill those roles on their team but didn't have the cap. Calgary did so good for them to have him on their team.

Raymond- Not a great signing now but he isn't holding anyone back. The team can afford to sit him and play a young if it is warranted but so far nobody has stepped up to out play him. I think had the team known that Jooris, Bouma, Ferland were all going to take the steps that they were they likely don't make this move but at the time it looked like the team needed some secondary scoring.

Ramo- This to me is the worst of the 3 not because it hurts us in terms of the cap or stops the team from doing anything but because it doesn't make any sense to me and not just because I am not a fan of Ramo. If you didn't think Ortio was ready to be a back-up that's fine but there are/were plenty of guys available to fill that role- Scrivens, Budaj, Tokarski- are three off the top of my head that could have been fine fill in back-ups if Ortio struggled. If you didn't think Hiller was good enough to be a starter, well Ramo does nothing to improve that situation as he has continually showed he isn't good enough either. I guess there is a small chance that a 29 year old guy all of a sudden "gets it" but that seems unlikely and certainly not worth overpaying to have him on the team when you already have two options that are at worst as good and likely both better than him.

[Strange Brew]

Love or hate the Raymond and Engelland signings, the one justification I can't stand is that they were needed to get to the cap floor. Signing 3 year contracts to get to the cap floor is a terrible idea.

[Flames Homer]

Surprised he cleared.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Flames Homer

Surprised he cleared.

Why? Below average starter with a high salary.

Pretty much everyone clears waivers. I don't know why anyone would be surprised.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Seriously? Having his 3.8 mil off the books gives them more flexibility. You don't pay a goalie that much money to be injury insurance. It's not the worst thing that he's going to Stockton, but I'm willing to bet Treliving was praying he would get claimed.

Sure, you don't pay a guy that much money to be injury insurance, but what exactly is the cap implications right now that you need to be worried about?

I would agree with you if Calgary was near the cap, and/or if Ramo had more than 1 year of term.

Obviously Ramo wasn't signed to be an insurance policy. It has been beaten to death it seems that the Flames were wanting to move Hiller, but that didn't happen. Now you have a 3.8 injury insurance contract for a year. Ideal? Far from it. But from an experience level in Ortio and Gillies, it really isn't such a terrible thing if Hiller goes down. Beats having to spend more assets on a goalie, or trying to find a bargain-basement FA available who has to learn the system (and yes, goalies absolutely have to learn a team's system). It is really not the end of the world, especially this year.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Love or hate the Raymond and Engelland signings, the one justification I can't stand is that they were needed to get to the cap floor. Signing 3 year contracts to get to the cap floor is a terrible idea.

I don't think it was a case of they signed them to get to the cap floor it was that they could sign them to those deals because they needed to get to the cap floor.

They had room to overspend on guys that other teams couldn't so they made sure they got the guys they wanted to fill those spots.

But I agree if they signed them only to get to the cap floor that is a terrible reason to sign a guy to a 3 year deal.

[The Yen Man]

So we can recall Ramo without needing to clear re-entry waivers right? So lets say later on, someone does want Hiller, we still have Ramo as an option to recall whenever we want? Of if an injury happens, we have some back up.