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dammage79 · 10-21-2015, 05:54 PM

Ortio was the best goalie in training camp. Yet does not get a start. This is one instance where Always earned does not ring true.

dammage79 · 10-21-2015, 06:26 PM

Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg 3m3 minutes ago
Not surprising, but the #Flames plan to send Ramo to the AHL if he clears waivers tomorrow. Could play Saturday for Stockton in San Antonio.

CroFlames · 10-21-2015, 06:28 PM

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Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg 3m3 minutes ago
Not surprising, but the #Flames plan to send Ramo to the AHL if he clears waivers tomorrow. Could play Saturday for Stockton in San Antonio.

Oh, so they're not going with the traditional three goalie roster? Shocking.

Thanks for clearing that up Steinberg.

hockey.modern · 10-21-2015, 06:34 PM

If Ramo clears does he have the option of choosing to go to Europe? Or does he still have to be under the NHL because of the contract? I would assume Ramo would rather go back home then play for the farm team.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-21-2015, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Ortio was the best goalie in training camp. Yet does not get a start. This is one instance where Always earned does not ring true.

The ignorance in that statement is mind blowing. Never mind that Ramo and Hiller backstopped this team to a surprise 2nd round playoff birth the last time meaningful hockey was played just a few short months ago, cause Ortio pitched a shut out in a meaningless pre-season game.........starting goalie position earned!

saillias · 10-21-2015, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

The ignorance in that statement is mind blowing. Never mind that Ramo and Hiller backstopped this team to a surprise 2nd round playoff birth the last time meaningful hockey was played just a few short months ago, cause Ortio pitched a shut out in a meaningless pre-season game.........starting goalie position earned!

I don't know. There's legitimate reason to be frustrated at management's decisions here. Hartley refused all last season to declare a #1. He clearly never had full trust in either goalie. With Ortio's play last year the writing should have been on the wall. There was no danger in bringing in Ortio to play a tandem role.

Keeping Ramo just complicated things for the team. When asked over the summer about the 3 goalie situation, Treliving would reply "It's a good problem to have"

I don't think he can say with a straight face that the goalie situation as it is playing out is a good problem to have.

dammage79 · 10-21-2015, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

The ignorance in that statement is mind blowing. Never mind that Ramo and Hiller backstopped this team to a surprise 2nd round playoff birth the last time meaningful hockey was played just a few short months ago, cause Ortio pitched a shut out in a meaningless pre-season game.........starting goalie position earned!

Right. Because the other two were so solid in pre season that Ortio deserved to get frozen out of starts in these first six games right?

Lets not forget either that Ortio also played well last season late into it during their push for the playoffs.

And let's not forget how shakey both Hiller and Ramo have been been THIS year. There's absolutely no reason at all for Ortio to at least get one game so far to prove he has something to offer. You know other than a solid showing in all his pre-season starts.

Always earned, he's earned a shot at a start or two. But nay, stubborn loyalty wins out.

Mind Blowing ignorance my arse.

Vinny01 · 10-21-2015, 07:41 PM

The Flames have been shopping these guys around the league. Maybe a team like Buffalo or the islanders told them they would put in a claim if we dropped Ramo. Flames need to dump a vet so this could be the way they do it

kyuss275 · 10-21-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

I don't know. There's legitimate reason to be frustrated at management's decisions here. Hartley refused all last season to declare a #1. He clearly never had full trust in either goalie. With Ortio's play last year the writing should have been on the wall. There was no danger in bringing in Ortio to play a tandem role.

Keeping Ramo just complicated things for the team. When asked over the summer about the 3 goalie situation, Treliving would reply "It's a good problem to have"

I don't think he can say with a straight face that the goalie situation as it is playing out is a good problem to have.

Ortio's play was good, but i can't say that he cemented himself as a 1b goalie or 1a starter. It was to small of a sample size. If flames had been going into the pre-season with one 1B goalie, they had to be 100% sure Ortio was at least another 1b goalie. They don't need a standard back-up when the starting goalie is only 1b at best.

Anyways it seems to be over. For me this is only phase 1. Phase 2 is the big one. Phase 2 for me has Ortio showing the flames by the time the season ends he is a 1a starter. I don't want the flames to go on with this tandem crap for years to come. They need a legit starter. Not saying if Ortio does not show he is the man going forward that he does not have a place as a back-up. What i'm hoping for is the flames to avoid having to spend assets on obtaining a true starter. I really like Gilles, but i don't want him rushed.

ricardodw · 10-21-2015, 07:45 PM

what a coin flip..... 3.8 M bet and BT loses

Erick Estrada · 10-21-2015, 07:45 PM

I believe the soft goal to start the 2nd period was probably the nail in the coffin in Hartley's eyes given the soft goal on Friday that led to a crushing loss to the Jets. Totally deflated the team and while an NHL team should be able to overcome a bad goal in the first half of a game this is at present time a fragile group that simply can't be giving up easy goals to anyone. Time to move on hopefully to better things with Ortio getting some starts.

kyuss275 · 10-21-2015, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Flames have been shopping these guys around the league. Maybe a team like Buffalo or the islanders told them they would put in a claim if we dropped Ramo. Flames need to dump a vet so this could be the way they do it

I just can't see a team wanting to spend $3.8 million on Ramo. I think after he clears the GM will look long and hard at eating up to 50% of his salary to move him. Even then i'm not sure that gets it done. At least not this early in the season.

Erick Estrada · 10-21-2015, 07:49 PM

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what a coin flip..... 3.8 M bet and BT loses

This was his first full offseason after being around the team for a calendar year so while it was a mistake I'm sure he will learn from it. The best GM's make mistakes all the time as nobody has a crystal ball in professional sports and it's a matter of their good moves far outnumbering their bad ones which separates the best GM's from the rest. One year contract in the big picture doesn't cripple the team and probably the most damage incurred is the possibility of the 3 headed goaltender monster playing a role in the poor start.

hockey.modern · 10-21-2015, 08:08 PM

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC:

Seeing how well Chad Johnson played tonight, would be a big surprise if BUF claimed Ramo.

GullFoss · 10-21-2015, 08:48 PM

id think most likely columbus for a claim

Iggy Snipe · 10-21-2015, 08:57 PM

Not suprised that Ramo gets waived. I could never have confidence the Flames would win with him in net. Too many soft goals.

Hiller is playing no different. Lets hope this gets Hiller going now that they basically handed him the #1 job.

I am still hoping Ortio gets in goal asap, and steals the job and plays lights out. Calgary needs good goaltending going forward if they are going to turn this brutal start around.

Dion · 10-21-2015, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

If Ramo clears does he have the option of choosing to go to Europe? Or does he still have to be under the NHL because of the contract? I would assume Ramo would rather go back home then play for the farm team.

Europe might be his best option. Gilles is going to get the lions share of games in Stockton with Ramo playing probably every 4th game.

getbak · 10-21-2015, 09:06 PM

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id think most likely columbus for a claim

They don't have the cap space.

calgaryblood · 10-21-2015, 09:09 PM

Nobody will claim Ramo at that pricetag.

kyuss275 · 10-21-2015, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

id think most likely columbus for a claim

They can't afford him. they have $2 million in cap space. Not to mention they are paying Bobrovsky $7.4 million a year. No chance they want a back-up at $3.8 million