[Rumour] Friedman: Flames could give up a decent defenseman

[1_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

I heard he is just lyin' in bed

Obscure, but awesome!

[the_only_turek_fan]

When I talked to Eric Duha. at Pucktalks last month, he flat out told me the Flames were and are desperately trying to trade Wideman. He indicated that they may even buy him out.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

When I talked to Eric Duha. at Pucktalks last month, he flat out told me the Flames were and are desperately trying to trade Wideman. He indicated that they may even buy him out.

Por Que?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

When I talked to Eric Duha. at Pucktalks last month, he flat out told me the Flames were and are desperately trying to trade Wideman. He indicated that they may even buy him out.

Need to exorcise the Feaster Demons!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

Por Que?

His cap hit per output is atrocious.

5.25 next year is an obstacle towards signing Monahan and Gaudreau.

He'll be making 5.25 for the first year Giordano is making 6.8

[northcrunk]

Wideman was never fast but this year he is SLOW AF! Who gets an almost clear but 2-1 or breakaway and ends up being caught by a backchecker and killing the play without a shot. The guy is hot garbage this year.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Wideman was never fast but this year he is SLOW AF! Who gets an almost clear but 2-1 or breakaway and ends up being caught by a backchecker and killing the play without a shot. The guy is hot garbage this year.

Not including the Caps game, Wideman is a PPG player. At the Caps game, the entire team wasn't playing well, save for a few individuals, so it's not fair to single him out. Monahan has a worse plus minus than Wideman. There are positives, But the positives were few and far between so far.

Johnny had almost the identical play at the Caps game Wideman did. Came up the wing on a break and held on way too long and the play fizzled. Is Johnny garbage now too?

Pump the brakes a little people. Yes the Liberals won, but the sky isn't falling.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I see your point but Johnny is a winger and he won't be leaving his d partner hanging if he stalls and loses the puck in the offensive zone. I've been asking for wideman to be moved for a long time, I love his effort but his contract is a problem

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I see your point but Johnny is a winger and he won't be leaving his d partner hanging if he stalls and loses the puck in the offensive zone. I've been asking for wideman to be moved for a long time, I love his effort but his contract is a problem

I realize with the mass hysteria on CP recently it's hard to see, but Wideman has been doing a lot of things right too. When things go bad, everyone looks for a scapegoat and is under the microscope.

$5.25 for a top scoring D-man who plays all situations and logs huge minutes is a problem contract? I don't think so. There were many dazzling plays last year that Wideman was a part of and the Flames don't make the playoffs without him.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I realize with the mass hysteria on CP recently it's hard to see, but Wideman has been doing a lot of things right too. When things go bad, everyone looks for a scapegoat and is under the microscope.

$5.25 for a top scoring D-man who plays all situations and logs huge minutes is a problem contract? I don't think so. There were many dazzling plays last year that Wideman was a part of and the Flames don't make the playoffs without him.

Last year is history. This year he has lost a step or two. Last year he was not a fast skater but his positioning always kept him out of trouble. Now even with his positioning he is getting beaten bad by any speed.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

True. Again I agree but he is older. Doesn't skate well. Coming off a career season which he probably will never come close to again. 5.25 for wideman isn't horrible. But 5.25 for arguably our 5th best defenceman when we need to sign mony and Johnny this off season is pretty bad.

I can't see wideman here to start next season. It's just due to the numbers. He's been a great servant. This has nothing to do with e mass hysteria lately. I'm actually pretty confident this team will bounce back and finish just out of the playoffs. There's nothing wrong with missing the playoffs in year 3 of a rebuild in a tough conference and division both of which are much improved this season.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Wideman was never fast but this year he is SLOW AF! Who gets an almost clear but 2-1 or breakaway and ends up being caught by a backchecker and killing the play without a shot. The guy is hot garbage this year.

Um...I hate to be 'that guy' but everyone was saying exactly the same thing at exactly this time last year.

Now I'm not expecting another career year or anything I'm just sayin'.

[IgiTang]

Wideman isn't slow, he's lacking composure.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Wideman isn't slow, he's lacking composure.

This. The more he panics the more high risk plays he seems to make

[adc]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I realize with the mass hysteria on CP recently it's hard to see, but Wideman has been doing a lot of things right too. When things go bad, everyone looks for a scapegoat and is under the microscope.

$5.25 for a top scoring D-man who plays all situations and logs huge minutes is a problem contract? I don't think so. There were many dazzling plays last year that Wideman was a part of and the Flames don't make the playoffs without him.

The problem is that yes he does play in all situations, but he rarely plays well in all situations.

[dammage79]

One thing to notice during Widemans tenure here in CGY, he has a serious case of the Iggy's. By that I mean a notoriously slow starter to a season. I have faith Wideman will round into form.

I do feel as though Russell will be the odd man out. Cheaper to trade, GM's always find grit and heart a tangible asset and values it. I won't like it, but Hamilton pushed Russell out the door even though you would think it would be Wideman, but not right now. Wideman's going finish his contract in CGY I think.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by adc

The problem is that yes he does play in all situations, but he rarely plays well in all situations.

Incorrect. Wideman has played well in every situation last year. This year is 6 games old. Guess who else looked bad in all situations this year? All-star Gio, the steal-of-a-deal Hamilton, Russell, Hudler, Ferland, Backland... shall I go on? Maybe cut Wideman a tinsy tiny bit of slack? He's got 5 points in 6 games. None of the D have played particularly well this year. Engellend has probably made the least amount of blunders.

Originally Posted by dammage79

One thing to notice during Widemans tenure here in CGY, he has a serious case of the Iggy's. By that I mean a notoriously slow starter to a season. I have faith Wideman will round into form.

I do feel as though Russell will be the odd man out. Cheaper to trade, GM's always find grit and heart a tangible asset and values it. I won't like it, but Hamilton pushed Russell out the door even though you would think it would be Wideman, but not right now. Wideman's going finish his contract in CGY I think.

I think a smart GM can make those top 5 Dmen fit. Remember that Jones, Hiller, Ramo, & Raymond are not in the plans long term, and Hudler is potentially coming off the books this year also. It will open up a lot of cap space, and I think building a rock solid defence is key to championships.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

His cap hit per output is atrocious.

5.25 next year is an obstacle towards signing Monahan and Gaudreau.

He'll be making 5.25 for the first year Giordano is making 6.8

He did score 56pts last year which is great for his cap hit. He plays 20+ min per game and so far this year has 5pts in 6 games. I wouldn't say that is atrocious output

[Poe969]

To people saying that Wideman has been "atrocious"...really? 5 points in 6 games for a defenseman is bad? And if you say that his defensive game has been bad then you'd better say that Gio, Russell and everyone else have been bad too. Wideman isn't on the team to be a shut down guy, he never has been that sort of player and to expect that now is wrong. Wideman is here to get points from the back end and he does that quite well. He's paired with Russell who's supposed to be a shot blocking "shut down" kind of guy and that's why the two of them worked so well last year. Wideman isn't playing different then he was last year when everyone was praising him. He looks "bad" now because Russell isn't playing the game he should play, the game that made the 2 of them work so well together. Sure, Wideman has made some gaffs so far this season but so has everyone on this team. If you think Wideman is bad now for playing the same game he was last year, you probably have the wrong kind of expectations for him.

I think Russell has been worse than Wideman because Russell isn't playing the same kind of game that made the team better. I think Russell is playing decent but he's playing a different game than he was last year. I think he's trying to be more offensive because he's likely not coming back next year and he's playing for a contract but that's just me.

[JohnnyB]

I find it hard to think anyone could judge our defensemen too harshly just a few games into this year after what they accomplished last year with Gio out. Wideman was a big part of that. He also seems to have great chemistry with Gaudreau.

The whole team is sucking right now, not Wideman in particular.