[PGT] Caps 6 - Flames 2 - ORTIO PLEASE

[Brick]

Maybe some Flames players feel jilted after stepping up big time last season only to have Hamilton walk in to the top defense pairing? What happened to always earned, never given?

[MonahanFan]

Guys, I think we all just need to chill. All teams go through slumps and the Flames are going through theirs now. The Flames are still the best team in the Western Conference outside of Anaheim, Chicago, and St. Louis. Turst me on this.

[Day Tripper]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Well the Flames are proving all of those advanced stats guys right, sure seems like last year was an aberration at this point and they've fallen back to where the numbers said they should be. Too soon to start looking at Matthews?

The Flames are very unlikely to get him even if they finish last. Don't get your hopes up.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Brick

Maybe some Flames players feel jilted after stepping up big time last season only to have Hamilton walk in to the top defense pairing? What happened to always earned, never given?

Then we need to trade everyone who feels that.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO it's time to panic. Back to back embarrassments at home is telling of problems deeper than just effort. I can't believe that Hartley would have lost the room just like that but the players clearly aren't playing a team game right now. Goaltending's not helping and Treliving has to take some blame here as the three headed goaltending monster has definitely played a role in this mess. Brad and Bob need to clean this up quickly or we will be talking draft by Christmas.

After the purge of the old "core" and the country club, this is what you come up with after Hartley wins coach of the year? Cmon man. Giordano is looking more like a Todd Simpson/Steve Smith type captain than Norris winner. The locker room must be a mess.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by MonahanFan

Guys, I think we all just need to chill. All teams go through slumps and the Flames are going through theirs now. The Flames are still the best team in the Western Conference outside of Anaheim, Chicago, and St. Louis. Turst me on this.

Oh okay. If you say so.

[foshizzle11]

so, I think Hartley is struggling because he has 3 goalies. He doesn't have a 7th dman so that he can even threat benching someone. That is a problem that BT created and Hartley clearly doesn't like, I think it is obvious that something behind the scenes isn't right.

They played better in the 3rd, but just some dumb mistakes by a few individuals was the difference. I am not laying blame for this loss on a couple players, the whole team needs to be better and score more goals but those mistakes really cost us. Those players need to be held accountable.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Well the Flames are proving all of those advanced stats guys right, sure seems like last year was an aberration at this point and they've fallen back to where the numbers said they should be. Too soon to start looking at Matthews?

There's really no point to looking forward to potential draft position anymore, thanks to Edmonton.

You could be the 1993 Ottawa Senators and still draft 4th, or you could be the 2015 Bruins and draft 1st.

I predict there will be drafts in the future that will make the McDavid outrage look like everyone was happy that Edmonton won in 2015.

It was such a simple fix and the NHL screwed it up. Just make a rule that you can't draft top 3 more than two years in row, or more than three out of five. Done. Problem solved.

But of course the NHL ####ed it up.

[FFR]

I thought that both Giordano and Hamilton looked better in the third period when they were split up. Granted, the entire team was better for the first half of the period, but Giordano was jumping up into the play again (presumably because he didn't feel he had to cover for Hamilton) and Hamilton made some solid defensive plays.

I also think the hate on Hamilton is a little ridiculous. The kid is 22 -lots of defencemen don't even play in the league until after 22. He's learning a new system and a new playing style. Cut him some slack. 5 games in and we're giving up on a 22 year old? This board is crazy - most people thought Treliving was a god after trading for him and now you give him 5 games and he's done. Crazy...

[MonahanFan]

Originally Posted by codynw

Oh okay. If you say so.

Mark my words. Flames make the 2nd round this year and possibly go to the 3rd. We have one of the Top 3 defenses in the league.

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

so, I think Hartley is struggling because he has 3 goalies. He doesn't have a 7th dman so that he can even threat benching someone. That is a problem that BT created and Hartley clearly doesn't like, I think it is obvious that something behind the scenes isn't right.

They played better in the 3rd, but just some dumb mistakes by a few individuals was the difference. I am not laying blame for this loss on a couple players, the whole team needs to be better and score more goals but those mistakes really cost us. Those players need to be held accountable.

If Hartley really feels that way, but still dresses Bollig every night, he might as well get rid of his extra forward and carry an extra D instead.

[skcli]

Goalie let in a bad goal, and the whole team deflated right after. Not making excuses for the other guys, but if the gatekeeper cannot shut the gate all efforts are to no avail. Move on to the next game....Ramo, Hiller, Hamilton should eat popcorn and watch

[hockey.modern]

Do you guys thing something is wrong behind the scenes?

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Well the Flames are proving all of those advanced stats guys right, sure seems like last year was an aberration at this point and they've fallen back to where the numbers said they should be. Too soon to start looking at Matthews?

Haha, go cheer for the oilers. No way we start this crap about cheering for last place. No room for that there. At least I won't be a part of it.

[skcli]

Originally Posted by MonahanFan

Mark my words. Flames make the 2nd round this year and possibly go to the 3rd. We have one of the Top 3 defenses in the league.

A bottle of Johnnie Walker Gold ?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

Haha, go cheer for the oilers. No way we start this crap about cheering for last place. No room for that there. At least I won't be a part of it.

I dunno, if we're 25 points out of the playoffs in Feburary are you really going to be cheering for them to run the table?

Once they're out, they're out. Might as well look forward at that point.

[old-fart]

It isn't back to back home ice embarrassments - they have now played 4 games at home and every one of them has been a complete joke. Routed in the home opener by the Nucks, shamed by the Blues, zero effort laffer against the crap heap from Edmonton, and then this joke of a performance against the Caps.

This team is a dumpster fire. The Flames were never really in the game. Even when it was 1 zip on a bad giveaway by the Caps, I never really felt like the Flames controlled the game. They had two PPs in the first with the score 1-0 and didn't generate a single quality scoring chance. Not only that, but they handed momentum back to the Caps, an incredibly idiotic giveaway by Wideman and it is all tied up.

The second period was yet again a complete joke by this joke of a team. Ramo makes several good saves followed up by that opening goal in the second? Are you kidding me?

Send one of these idiots to the minors and run with Ortio and whatever crappy goalie survives to be backup. It can't possibly be worse that what we've seen so far.

Complete crap fest.

[zyzz]

Lots of new parts coming together. Can't let this get too far outta hand tho, Better figure it out quick.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Russell and Wideman are BRUTAL so far this year. Gotta split them up..... whats the worst that could happen.

Russell looks absolutely horrible this season. He spent half the night lying on his stomach swinging desperately for the puck after Ovi danced around him. The other half was spend making bad pinches, blowing break out passes and just generally looking like a player who would clear waivers without issue. I was actually getting surprised that they kept sending him out there for more shifts.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I dunno, if we're 25 points out of the playoffs in Feburary are you really going to be cheering for them to run the table?

Once they're out, they're out. Might as well look forward at that point.

Easy for a fan to say that...try telling the 23 guys in the room to go out and tank. Hartley, BT and Burke will never give this message to this team.

If fans of the flames think this is a possibility, you are cheering for the wrong team.