Notes from Oct 19 Practice: Colborne returns. Ramo next starter. Ferland missing.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Yes, true. I also forgot to add the fact that Hartley won the Jack Adams, and at least deserves a little bit of patience - not to mention the benefit of the doubt - beyond the first handful of games.

Yes and did have a 8 game L streak in there as well

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Yes, true. I also forgot to add the fact that Hartley won the Jack Adams, and at least deserves a little bit of patience - not to mention the benefit of the doubt - beyond the first handful of games.

The Jack Adams means precisely nothing when evaluating coaching decisions.

The previous two winners (Patrick Roy and Paul MacLean) don't make me think that the award is proof of being top coach

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The Jack Adams means precisely nothing when evaluating coaching decisions.

The previous two winners (Patrick Roy and Paul MacLean) don't make me think that the award is proof of being top coach

Sure, but at least you saw Hartley get nearly universal buy-in last year and make sound decisions for most of his tenure, leading the Flames to the playoffs in a year where almost every analyst not named Ward had them competing for McDavid.

Jack Adams or not, I would think that gives him a little leeway in a handful of games to start the season, no?

[Ashasx]

It's going to be very interesting to see how Smid plays after so long.

I mean, it's not like he was spry before the injury.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Sure, but at least you saw Hartley get nearly universal buy-in last year and make sound decisions for most of his tenure, leading the Flames to the playoffs in a year where almost every analyst not named Ward had them competing for McDavid.

Jack Adams or not, I would think that gives him a little leeway in a handful of games to start the season, no?

I would say Hartley was a major reason for culture and work ethic which along with some good fortune and a better roster than people thought was the reason for the Flames resurgence.

I would not give him credit for many good roster/lineup moves

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I would say Hartley was a major reason for culture and work ethic which along with some good fortune and a better roster than people thought was the reason for the Flames resurgence.

I would not give him credit for many good roster/lineup moves

I guess that is one way to look at it. I just disagree with that assessment. If a coach is not consistently making good roster/lineup changes, then that team shouldn't make the playoffs.

I am not stating that Hartley is above any criticism - I just think that he has earned some benefit of the doubt, and SOME of what I classify as 'over-reactionary' posts are very premature at this time.