GT: Federal Election

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Hesla

This is one of the reasons I voted liberal for the first time in My life. Crockat told me on the phone that this was what she believed and that climate change was aprotectionist racket funded by the U.S. Oil Industry.

I'd bet that theres some Gulf money as well. Who's barrels are we displacing? Saudis, Venezuelans, and Mexicans.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by getbak

So, the CBC has just given up on trying to fill time talking about the same 33 ridings over and over and have gone to a taped piece?

Its the 7pm show intro

[Senator Clay Davis]

Last 4 election CPC vote shares in Atlantic Canada: 31%, 28%, 31%, 32%.

Tonight: 18%.

Still early, but if the base numbers are this far off this could be over quick and get really ugly for both the CPC and NDP.

[jammies]

What I really want to know is, for which party did Connor McDavid cast his vote?

[pylon]

And for the record, I don't necessarily support the Conservatives. They are a very difficult party to support. But, they are the party that supports the best interests of this province. If I lived in any other province, I wouldn't even give them the time of day. Unfortunately, they are a bit of a necessary evil for this province to thrive.

[GGG]

Good news for a liberal victory is back room politics is going to get energy east built.

A quick return to liberal corruption but getting a pipeline built is important

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Putting aside the asinine and pretentious use of a bible quote to make a point, Pylon's fears do have some level of justification given that Liberal policy has pretty much been to funnel money from the prairies into Ontario and Quebec since the day our province came into being and was denied rights to it own national resources. Trudeau can talk about how important Alberta is all he likes. He's got a century of actions to overcome.

The vexation of a fool is known at once, but the prudent man ignores insult.
Proverbs 12:16

[robaur]

Conservatives accused of electoral fraud:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comm...ada_premarked/

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by robaur

Proportional representation has been discussed at length in Canada for a very long time. The downside of that is it would become almost impossible to form majority governments. In reality, majority governments are needed to run a country.

False. Minority governments require consensus-building. It is infinitely preferable to dictatorship terms.

This current system basically gives the finger to all Canadians who do not approve of the job that the majority government is doing; it is especially troubling when said government only captured something like 38% of the vote, meaning that the other 62% of voters have no say at all in terms of policy decisions.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by robaur

Conservatives accused of electoral fraud:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comm...ada_premarked/

Looks like they failed at that too.

[MRCboicgy]

6-2 jays 3rd

[Caged Great]

TULO 3 run bomb 6-2

[JonDuke]

6-2 Jays!!

[GGG]

That is pretty ballsy if true.

There is no way you get away with pre marking ballots in sufficient amounts as to not get caught.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

False. Minority governments require consensus-building. It is infinitely preferable to dictatorship terms.

This current system basically gives the finger to all Canadians who do not approve of the job that the majority government is doing; it is especially troubling when said government only captured something like 38% of the vote, meaning that the other 62% of voters have no say at all in terms of policy decisions.

I prefer the elected dictatorship over the everyone's pet project gets funded model. At least we aren't proportional where small single issue parties are bought and sold

[GirlySports]

Who predicted 12-4 Jays earlier?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hesla

This is one of the reasons I voted liberal for the first time in My life. Crockat told me on the phone that this was what she believed and that climate change was aprotectionist racket funded by the U.S. Oil Industry.

Given I didn't say anything about climate change, your point is horribly misguided. I am quite sure that most of the environmentalists on the ground are acting with the best interests of the planet and fighting climate change. But whether you or they realize it or not, most of their funding is coming from American sources working very hard to obfuscate their origin. And you are kidding yourself if you don't think keeping Canadian oil beholden to the American market at prices far below what it could otherwise command if we had easier access to other countries is very much part of the point. The funding is coming from people who have been targetting Canadian oil long before the post-hoc argument that Harper's environmental record is to blame. And the targets are only Canadian oil. Not American. Most of the "dirtiest" oil in North America is actually mined and produced in California, but you don't see these groups fighting very hard against their own national interests, do you?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

False. Minority governments require consensus-building. It is infinitely preferable to dictatorship terms.

This current system basically gives the finger to all Canadians who do not approve of the job that the majority government is doing; it is especially troubling when said government only captured something like 38% of the vote, meaning that the other 62% of voters have no say at all in terms of policy decisions.

Did you vote NDP? They want to institute election reform:

The federal NDP favours something called mixed-member proportional representation, akin to the New Zealand system whereby every elector gets two votes, one for a local MP, another for a party list. (MMP was once recommended by the Law Reform Commission of Canada.) Says the New Zealand website explaining MMP, election results generally produce a Parliament with parties whose share of the seats “is about the same as its share of the party vote.”

MMP and other proportional-representation systems are quite democratic in the sense of matching shares of votes and seats. What would have happened to Premier Rachel Notley and her New Democrats under MMP?

The Alberta NDP, lacking a majority of seats under MMP, would have needed to cobble together an arrangement, perhaps even with the party it defeated, the Progressive Conservatives; or, it would have remained in opposition. Or it could have tried to govern month-to-month as a minority.

How could the victorious NDP have remained in opposition? Under MMP, the Progressive Conservatives, with 28 per cent of the vote, and the Wildrose Party, with 24 per cent, would have together eclipsed easily the NDP’s 41 per cent share of the popular vote.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GGG

I prefer the elected dictatorship over the everyone's pet project gets funded model. At least we aren't proportional where small single issue parties are bought and sold

So you're basically fine with giving a middle finger to anyone who has interests other than yours?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by pylon

And for the record, I don't necessarily support the Conservatives. They are a very difficult party to support. But, they are the party that supports the best interests of this province. If I lived in any other province, I wouldn't even give them the time of day. Unfortunately, they are a bit of a necessary evil for this province to thrive.

I have no problem with someone voting for a certain party because of how the election affects their region. But I'd like to think that in every part of the country, some people vote out of personal interest, some out of community interest, some out of regional interest, and some out of national interest. None of those perspectives is superior to the other, IMO.