Federal Election Called for Oct 19, 2015

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

This is what team politics does to people. Also helps there's some very ignorant ppl.. A mix needed for Harper to get votes.

Team politics be it left, right, or centre always dumb down issues and relies on ignorant and hardcore people to get out their vote. Don't pretend its any different for the others, just because they align with your viewpoints.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Why reward an undefendable statement?

I'm not rewarding the contents of the statement.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by adc

Trudeau as PM of Canada is a direct representative of Canada and has an impact on my life, if not day to day at least week to week. He has shown himself to be a complete idiot time after time, with no qualifications for the position and a complete lack of understanding of the issues. I would be embarrassed to have this buffoon representing me and my country.

Ford is a fool from Toronto that did some silly and some criminal things that has zero impact on my life and doesn't represent Canada.

Why would I be more embarrassed by Ford than Trudeau? He doesn't represent me or my country, he doesn't impact me at all either. He also doesn't take himself serious or try to come off as some quality guy or anything that he isn't.

Ford's antics were widely reported around the world in the media. We looked ridiculous having such a moron as the mayor of our largest city. Trudeau isn't the perfect leader, but he won't embarrass us more than Ford or Harper already have.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Team politics be it left, right, or centre always dumb down issues and relies on ignorant and hardcore people to get out their vote. Don't pretend its any different for the others, just because they align with your viewpoints.

They all twist or distort the views of other parties.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You don't think it is a little hypocritical and cynical, given Harper's tough on crime and drugs agenda, that he is using the Fords to squeeze a few more votes? Given both of their admissions to using drugs, and Rob's continuous drunk driving doesn't it show poor taste, and judge of character on Harper's part?

Not really. I am take an even harder stance on drugs than Harper does so I am not a fan of Ford's drug use but I or Harper are not asking him to watch our children or head up a drug task force. He is meeting with him to get voters to defeat what would be a terrible fate for our country, Trudeau being PM.

So if he has to go to a meeting and shake Fords hand it doesn't bother me at all since the alternative could be much, much worse.

I was told by a very proud and successful man once, that you should surround yourself with those of good character, and you can get a good idea of the type of person someone is by those he chooses to surround himself with. So this seams particularly telling to me.

I look at a lot of successful people and the type of people they are, let alone those around them, and that seems like a nice statement but in truth something that rarely translate.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Dion

They all twist or distort the views of other parties.

Agreed. Politics are the sale of ideas, and the best way to sell is to convince that other people's ideas are "un-Canadian", "unconstitutional", "heartless", "careless", etc.

Trudeau was right when he said his job isn't to do the math, but to sell ideas... he knows what he is saying is immaterial because anyone doing math on any of the platforms knows there's missing pieces. Harper's platform of not messing with the Tax Act and not going into deficit is safest, but really, that can and should change if the circumstances merit it. That doesn't sell or motivate the extreme wings, so its glossed over.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by adc

. He has shown himself to be a complete idiot time after time, .

Gimme a couple examples of this one, skip. I must've missed 'em.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Gimme a couple examples of this one, skip. I must've missed 'em.

The debates would be a good place to start. I have only seen a few interviews with him but they have always had him coming off looking like a fool but perhaps he was just off on those 5-6 times and he really is intelligent all other times.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by adc

Rob Ford makes me laugh (and from many reports was a decent politician in terms of what he got done) so yes I have no problem with them "cavorting" with the Fords. I also see Justin Trudeau as a much bigger embarrassment to Canada if he were elected PM than Ford.

Wow......just.....wow........

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by adc

The debates would be a good place to start.

Specifically what part of the debates?

I watched all of them, and while Trudeau didn't deliver a masterful oratory performance (none of the candidates did), he certainly didn't say anything that made him look like a "complete idiot", and he definitely wasn't anywhere close to being a national disgrace and embarrassment like Rob Ford.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by adc

Not really. I am take an even harder stance on drugs than Harper does so I am not a fan of Ford's drug use but I or Harper are not asking him to watch our children or head up a drug task force. He is meeting with him to get voters to defeat what would be a terrible fate for our country, Trudeau being PM.

So if he has to go to a meeting and shake Fords hand it doesn't bother me at all since the alternative could be much, much worse.



I look at a lot of successful people and the type of people they are, let alone those around them, and that seems like a nice statement but in truth something that rarely translate.

Do you seriously think this country is going to go to hell if Trudeau gets in? Fortunately, it looks like you are going to get to see the real truth. The country will be just fine, and most likely better in the coming years, without Harper.

[heep223]

For the first time in my life I don't think I can vote conservative. This BS about old stock Canadians, and the "barbaric cultural practices of your neighbour" (which made me think of Nazi Germany), and now embarrassingly cavorting with Rob Ford...plus I don't even think that Harper has shown his face in my riding. Which is his home riding. He is on my ballot.

Their backwards views on social issues has finally gotten to me, and overrides my alignment with them on economic policy.

The best case IMO would be a minority conservative govt with a new leader, but frankly I feel a bit insulted that Harper thinks that his base is a bunch of fanatical slack jawed yokels.

Unfortunately the alternatives are also quite poor IMO. Mulcair doesn't understand the economy and comes across as inauthentic and populist, and I would never trust that party to make important decisions on the economy. I don't think Trudeau has much substance or experience but willing to give him a shot I guess.

Bleh. Kind of feel crappy about the whole thing. At least it's almost over. I wish someone capable from the private sector would get fed up and run for office.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by adc

The debates would be a good place to start.

Yeah.... The debates... yeah, I get ya.... but... didn't Trudeau come out ahead of the debates in the eyes of most? He couldn't have been saying anything that dumb, could he? What did he say?

Originally Posted by adc

I have only seen a few interviews with him but they have always had him coming off looking like a fool but perhaps he was just off on those 5-6 times and he really is intelligent all other times.

Oh... yeah... his interviews... you're right.... But wait, which ones? What did he say? I am sure if he was saying some really dumb stuff we would have noticed. Maybe we missed them, can you share a link?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Any Conservative supporters on CP want to defend Harper for doing this? Or is it, as I suspect, absolutely indefensible?

Hey, he only smoked crack; not that hard stuff like marijuana.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Gimme a couple examples of this one, skip. I must've missed 'em.

"The budget will balance itself"

[adc]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Do you seriously think this country is going to go to hell if Trudeau gets in? Fortunately, it looks like you are going to get to see the real truth. The country will be just fine, and most likely better in the coming years, without Harper.

I think it will be a much worse place for me and my family to live in yes.

Hell is a strong word since Trudeau likely won't have enough freedom to do everything that he would like to do and will have to have some constraint.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by adc

I think it will be a much worse place for me and my family to live in yes.

Hell is a strong word since Trudeau likely won't have enough freedom to do everything that he would like to do and will have to have some constraint.

What is Trudeau going to do to your family? Is he gonna move next door and play loud music?

[adc]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Yeah.... The debates... yeah, I get ya.... but... didn't Trudeau come out ahead of the debates in the eyes of most? He couldn't have been saying anything that dumb, could he? What did he say?



Oh... yeah... his interviews... you're right.... But wait, which ones? What did he say? I am sure if he was saying some really dumb stuff we would have noticed. Maybe we missed them, can you share a link?

I would say the overall thing is the way he delivers his message and to me he comes across as an idiot. I found he rarely answers the question but instead goes to buzz words/phrases or tries to spin it to something he might be able to pretend he knows about.

As for "in most eyes" not really sure I trust or care about what most eyes say especially if it is coming from the left wing media or Liberal supporters.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

What is Trudeau going to do to your family? Is he gonna move next door and play loud music?

He'll turn us into socialist commies and ISIS will invade.

And also, immigrants.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

What is Trudeau going to do to your family? Is he gonna move next door and play loud music?

Negatively effect the economy, especially the oil field, which directly hurts me and family as well as many friends of mine. I am totally against his stance on marijuana so that will have a very big negative impact especially with me having young kids that will soon become teens.