any of y'all into working out?

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The absolute worst thing about gym culture is "inspirational" Facebook posts with 30 hash tags #fit #fitlife #feelsgood #pump #killedit

Haha wow, I've never seen that on Fb before, yeah that's brutal (even aside from using hashtags away from Twitter). That's definitely unfriend-worthy.

Actually hearing stuff like that makes me happy I only log onto Fb maybe 2-3 times a year. Once you're over 25 and out of college, I don't even get the point of using Fb regularly, unless you're using it to show baby/kid pics (which is a whole other type of annoying Fb user).

Fb itself is the worst, which may be the first problem


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[blankall]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

No, they not just caffeine. They are caffeine, vitamine b's, and some complimentary things to help reduce the jitters (some of them). If you take caffeine, a b-complex, and some calcium, and some pantothenic acid, your pretty much in the same place as a typical preworkout.

I know there's other things in them. My point was the only ingredient actually doing anything is the caffeine.

Things like Calcium, vitamin B, etc... aren't used by the body immediately the way that caffeine is. And you probably have enough of them, if you have a good diet. Your body just excretes the excess. Having too much calcium can actually be harmful and lead to kidney problems.

[Tron_fdc]

Instagram is by far the worst for that crap. I follow a few girls I know in the fitness industry, and every one of them posts scantily clad selfies to pump up their followers. The end game is to get sponsors. Steph_pacca being the absolute worst offender.

#fitness #selfie #lovelife bla bla bla check out my ass in the new (xyz) workout line

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Instagram is by far the worst for that crap. I follow a few girls I know in the fitness industry, and every one of them posts scantily clad selfies to pump up their followers. The end game is to get sponsors. Steph_pacca being the absolute worst offender.

#fitness #selfie #lovelife bla bla bla check out my ass in the new (xyz) workout line

Just googled her. She doesn't even look like she works out. Just starves herself and got implants.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by blankall

Yeah, looking back on my post, it got a bit ranty quickly.

I'd agree that creatine has been proven to be useful. Creatine is also very cheap, and you can get a year's supply for about $40. My issue is with the bigger supplement industry as a whole. The average lifter does not need hundreds of dollars of supplements a month.

At most, creatine and a cheap why protein should be used. The rest is all hype. Even pre-workouts are just caffeine.

Yup.

There are pre-workout fuels that work, but unless you are Rich Froning, they are probably not necessary. Most people on here just need a good diet, some whey and creatine and they should be able to achieve any goal they set.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Instagram is by far the worst for that crap. I follow a few girls I know in the fitness industry, and every one of them posts scantily clad selfies to pump up their followers. The end game is to get sponsors. Steph_pacca being the absolute worst offender.

#fitness #selfie #lovelife bla bla bla check out my ass in the new (xyz) workout line

Originally Posted by blankall

Just googled her. She doesn't even look like she works out. Just starves herself and got implants.

I feel like it is really hard to get a grasp of this discussion without photos.....

[t0rrent98]

check out former WWe Diva Ashley on Instagram. "celestebonin". She went from Diva to bodybuilder. Still looks damn good IMO through.. haha.

[burnin_vernon]

It's well known that into your 30s, and especially after age 35, mens' ability to gain muscle decreases dramatically.

I'd just like to say, that at age 39, after working out on/off for 17 years I am setting personal bests in almost every exercise. I've even had multiple people comment on my increased muscularity.

You just have to be consistent. The only thing I'm doing differently than when I was in my 20s is that I keep going to the gym. I only do 3 lifting days a week for 45 minutes, and 2-3 days of cardio. I don't even have the goal to be big. I just want to be fit and functional. I track all my workouts and try to beat them every week. When I plateau, I change the exercises or the volume.

Now if only I can stop eating like a stoned teen-aged goat I may actually look as good as I feel...

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by burnin_vernon

It's well known that into your 30s, and especially after age 35, mens' ability to gain muscle decreases dramatically.

I'd just like to say, that at age 39, after working out on/off for 17 years I am setting personal bests in almost every exercise. I've even had multiple people comment on my increased muscularity.

You just have to be consistent. The only thing I'm doing differently than when I was in my 20s is that I keep going to the gym. I only do 3 lifting days a week for 45 minutes, and 2-3 days of cardio. I don't even have the goal to be big. I just want to be fit and functional. I track all my workouts and try to beat them every week. When I plateau, I change the exercises or the volume.

Now if only I can stop eating like a stoned teen-aged goat I may actually look as good as I feel...

It's what you eat that matters, I eat like a starving crazed horse but lost a solid 5% bf in the past 6 months.

Stay the heck away from heavy processed foods, there are a lot of foods that are better off not eating if you aren't eating something to help digest it as it takes away your vitality and places stress on the digestive system. If you eat probiotics with every meal you'll notice a difference in 2 weeks. The losing strength thing is usually due to awful diet over extended periods of time that results in the body losing its ability to maintain vitality.

[Matata]

The best and simplest advice I got on eating for the gym was "eat 4 big, healthy meals and a gallon of milk every day". I never really got close to that much milk in a day (I figured protein shakes were a good substitute) but the quickest I've ever gained mass and gotten stronger was when I tried to eat like that.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by burnin_vernon

I don't even have the goal to be big. I just want to be fit and functional.

Yeah, that's what I'm going for too. I don't really have a desire to tack on a bunch of mass, I just want to be fit, slim and toned. I've actually been eating like a bird after my workouts until bed and have dropped a bunch of weight (I take whey protein though).

I don't have the proper body type to get huge anyway. I'm like Dennis Reynolds, I just want that slim and muscular, Jesus on the cross look with the shredded abs. Getting crucified must be one heck of a core workout..


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[Northendzone]

today's trip to the gym is all about gains......

insert 30 "motivational" hashtags here ->

[blankall]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It's what you eat that matters, I eat like a starving crazed horse but lost a solid 5% bf in the past 6 months.

Stay the heck away from heavy processed foods, there are a lot of foods that are better off not eating if you aren't eating something to help digest it as it takes away your vitality and places stress on the digestive system. If you eat probiotics with every meal you'll notice a difference in 2 weeks. The losing strength thing is usually due to awful diet over extended periods of time that results in the body losing its ability to maintain vitality.

Not entirely true.

You will naturally lose strength in some lifts as you loss mass, including fat. This will be most notable in a lift like the deadlift. Simply weighing more will result in you being able to deadlift more. Simple physics and momentum.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by blankall

Not entirely true.

You will naturally lose strength in some lifts as you loss mass, including fat. This will be most notable in a lift like the deadlift. Simply weighing more will result in you being able to deadlift more. Simple physics and momentum.

Can you speak more about momentum?

I have always tried to keep momentum out of all/any lifts.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Can you speak more about momentum?

I have always tried to keep momentum out of all/any lifts.

That's not possible....There's a difference between using bad form (Ex. flailing or bouncing a weight) while training and using proper momentum when going for a 1 rep max.

In a 1 rep max deadlift you want to maintain momentum (which is a function of mass and speed). The deadlift requires you to stand up and then move your hips forward. Even if you're moving slowly, momentum caused by your body will act against the bar.

The more you weigh, the more force you can generate. There's a reason why top strongmen are just plain big, as opposed to cut.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by blankall

That's not possible....There's a difference between using bad form (Ex. flailing or bouncing a weight) while training and using proper momentum when going for a 1 rep max.

In a 1 rep max deadlift you want to maintain momentum (which is a function of mass and speed). The deadlift requires you to stand up and then move your hips forward. Even if you're moving slowly, momentum caused by your body will act against the bar.

The more you weigh, the more force you can generate. There's a reason why top strongmen are just plain big, as opposed to cut.

Ah yes, I was reading it terms of poor form, which is why I was confused.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Matata

The best and simplest advice I got on eating for the gym was "eat 4 big, healthy meals and a gallon of milk every day". I never really got close to that much milk in a day (I figured protein shakes were a good substitute) but the quickest I've ever gained mass and gotten stronger was when I tried to eat like that.

I definitely agree in the benefits of milk as being the original protein shake/weight gainer, but are you sure that wasn't a gallon of water and maybe 1-2 liters of milk? I am by no means an anti-dairy hippie, but a gallon of milk seems a little excessive, not to mention rough on the stomach- and probably around 2000 calories in addition to the 2500 or 3000 you are getting in your meals. 4500-5000 calories a day certainly isn't unheard of for a bulking diet, but I think the average gym goer probably just needs to get around a 500 calorie daily surplus to put on lean muscle mass over a period of 6 months-1 year... Assuming a dedicated work out plan, that is probably anywhere from 2500-3500 for the average adult male- depending on age, length and intensity of work out, integration of cardio, BMR, other daily routines, etc etc...

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

I definitely agree in the benefits of milk as being the original protein shake/weight gainer, but are you sure that wasn't a gallon of water and maybe 1-2 liters of milk? I am by no means an anti-dairy hippie, but a gallon of milk seems a little excessive, not to mention rough on the stomach- and probably around 2000 calories in addition to the 2500 or 3000 you are getting in your meals. 4500-5000 calories a day certainly isn't unheard of for a bulking diet, but I think the average gym goer probably just needs to get around a 500 calorie daily surplus to put on lean muscle mass over a period of 6 months-1 year... Assuming a dedicated work out plan, that is probably anywhere from 2500-3500 for the average adult male- depending on age, length and intensity of work out, integration of cardio, BMR, other daily routines, etc etc...

The gallon of milk diet is something pushed really hard by Mark Rippetoe. His philosophy is you will get really strong really fast if you take what you are already eating and add a gallon of milk onto it. The diet definitely works for power lifting, where weight class is not a factor.

It's definitely a diet that will cause you to gain fat. Even Rippetoe only recommends doing it until you're at about 20% body fat and only for people who have difficulty putting on mass.

But yeah, your average gym goer is also concerned with aesthetics and would be better off slowly putting the mass/strength. Rippetoe's philosophy is really to get you up to a to a certain mass/strength level before you can begin seriously training, which is where the initial bulking phase comes in.

From my own experience, it's much easier to put on muscle while simultaneously putting on fat. Putting on purely "lean muscle mass" is extremely difficult. I can do it for short periods of time (6 months at a time maybe) but will then stall out. I need a bulk to really break through barriers. Each person is different though. I don't dirty bulk or starve cut either. A lbs of weight gain/loss per week is the most I would ever aim for. I'm only about 5'7'' though. So a 6'4'' person could probably handle more.

[Flabbibulin]

^^^Yep, no doubt about it that gaining muscle and losing fat are mutually exclusive. The more likely scenario in a person losing weight is they are losing fat and muscle, but the loss of fat is revealing muscle they never realized they had. When I use the term "gain lean muscle mass", I am basically referring to a slow and gradual increase in size that aims to minimize fat gain as much as possible by taking it easy and slow- weight gain means muscle and fat though, Otherwise, I agree that gaining muscle and losing fat is incredibly difficult without the assistance of illegal drugs.

edit- oops, mixed up fat and muscle in that last sentence. fixed.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

^^^Yep, no doubt about it that gaining muscle and losing fat are mutually exclusive. The more likely scenario in a person losing weight is they are losing fat and muscle, but the loss of fat is revealing muscle they never realized they had. When I use the term "gain lean muscle mass", I am basically referring to a slow and gradual increase in size that aims to minimize fat gain as much as possible by taking it easy and slow- weight gain means muscle and fat though, Otherwise, I agree that gaining fat and losing muscle is incredibly difficult without the assistance of illegal drugs.

Depends a bit on your experience working out and how much fat you have. If you are 50+lbs overweight and have never worked out before, it's definitely easy to both gain muscle and lose fat.

If you're an experienced weightlifter who wants to cut down to 10% bf, it's very very difficult to do so and gain muscle at once....unless like you say, you're taking the juice.