10-13-2015, 11:15 AM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
It isn't the cap hit that worries me about Richards, it is the alleged extracurricular activities at that bothers me.
He doesn't appear to be the type of individual you want in a young room.
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You're kidding yourself if you think he'd be the only guy in our locker room engaging in "extracurricular activities". The contract termination was LA weaseling out of a contract, nothing more. That contract was truly awful, which is why the Flames should have stayed far away, even with a sweetener or two involved.
Not sure if his attempting to get through a border with unprescribed Oxy suggests addiction - which is as much bigger issue and would affect play - or extreme bad judgement. I haven't seen any other evidence of addiction though.
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10-13-2015, 11:36 AM
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Who knows. Maybe we weasle our way out of Richard's contract too if we traded for him. That'd be sweeet. Free picks and/or prospects for a small recapture cap hit and an even smaller settlement cap hit until 2031
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10-13-2015, 11:59 AM
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All the buyout business aside, it's an interesting hypothetical. With Rochards contracts we would not have been able to sign Frolik. Would the prospects offered have been worth not having Frolik?
Or alternatively, we could not have afforded Hamilton. Would that be worth having these 2 or 3 prospects, plus our 1st and 2 2nds?
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10-13-2015, 12:04 PM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
All the buyout business aside, it's an interesting hypothetical. With Rochards contracts we would not have been able to sign Frolik. Would the prospects offered have been worth not having Frolik?
Or alternatively, we could not have afforded Hamilton. Would that be worth having these 2 or 3 prospects, plus our 1st and 2 2nds?
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The Flames don't have as much cap space as people like to think. The unfortunate side effect of having several prospects emerge as top end talent all at once.
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10-13-2015, 12:19 PM
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#25
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Would have taken Toffoli++ for me to even consider trading for Richards.
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10-13-2015, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by albertGQ
Who knows. Maybe we weasle our way out of Richard's contract too if we traded for him. That'd be sweeet. Free picks and/or prospects for a small recapture cap hit and an even smaller settlement cap hit until 2031
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Actually the Kings would have still got the cap recapture penalty, as they were the ones that benefited from the years when the cap hit was below his actual salary. The Flames would have just got the buyout penalty spread out over the next century and a half or whatever it was the Kings negotiated on that end.
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10-13-2015, 12:33 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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I realize the Flames were always one of the teams sniffing around Richards but for the life of me I could never figure out why they would want any part of that contract given his declining play. I just don't see any draft picks or assets being worth the salary cap ramifications as well as the baggage that comes with the player.
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10-13-2015, 12:45 PM
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#28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
Would have taken Toffoli++ for me to even consider trading for Richards.
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Doughty or bust.
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10-13-2015, 03:12 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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If we got Richards, maybe we also would have gotten pick #14. No Hamilton means we re sign Schlemko? We could've pick Chabot and Barzal
That doesn't look too bad to me. I'm a big fan of Barzal though.
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10-13-2015, 03:18 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall
You're kidding yourself if you think he'd be the only guy in our locker room engaging in "extracurricular activities". The contract termination was LA weaseling out of a contract, nothing more. That contract was truly awful, which is why the Flames should have stayed far away, even with a sweetener or two involved.
Not sure if his attempting to get through a border with unprescribed Oxy suggests addiction - which is as much bigger issue and would affect play - or extreme bad judgement. I haven't seen any other evidence of addiction though.
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That is why I said "alleged".
It might also be that we have a family friend that is a long time employee of the Flyers in Hockey Operations.
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10-13-2015, 04:26 PM
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First Line Centre
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Location: CGY
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Agent: Mike Richards working hard to make NHL comeback
http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/853379
Would you guys be interested in Mike Richards for a contract similar to Semin's? Or would it be risky from a locker room standpoint
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"Mike has worked this summer towards getting back to the NHL and now he's a free agent," Richards' agent, Pat Morris, told Rick Westhead of TSN.
"He wants to do his best to return to the Mike Richards hockey that allowed him to play on an Olympic team and allowed him to win two Stanley Cups, including one in 2014. He's got desire and want and he's had the longest period of time to train."
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10-13-2015, 04:33 PM
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Commie Referee
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No thanks. And I was a big Mike Richards fan for years. I just don't see the rewards outweighing the risk, especially with so many forwards already in the system. And who knows if he's truly cleaned up his act off the ice. Big pass.
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10-13-2015, 04:35 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Right behind you.
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Two words why the Flames won't be signing Richards "foot speed".
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10-13-2015, 04:38 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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No. Big risk, little reward, like KFF said.
Plus, who do you bump? Stajan? He is a perfect 4th line centre and elevates the play of the grinders who play with him (I'm looking at you Bollig). Backlund? He's simply a better player at this point than Richards. Bennett? Nope. Monahan? (double nope).
At most you are hiring a washed up center to play wing at the expense of one of Jooris/Jones/Colborne/Bollig/Raymond/Bouma.
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10-13-2015, 04:42 PM
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Franchise Player
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I wonder how serious BT ever was about Richards, or if he just new the Oilers were in and wanted to drive up the price for lulz.
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10-13-2015, 04:49 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Vancouver Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
Two words why the Flames won't be signing Richards "foot speed".
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No room for a below average sized slow center on this team. He used to have that competitive grit and edge that is really endearing to fans and teammates, but he's a shadow of his former self now. Kind of sad really.
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10-13-2015, 04:53 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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McKenzie on TSN saying that NHL teams are interested in Richards but:
- Going to wait to see how legal troubles play out
- Need to know if the NHL applies supplemental discipline on Richards for this whole fiasco
- His arrest may automatically enroll him into the NHL/NHLPA substance abuse program
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10-13-2015, 06:30 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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A re-habbed Mike Richards would be a decent risk. But seeing as no one but Richards and his support group know what is going on right now, I wouldn't take that chance. Love the hockey player. On the ice, he is certainly someone who I would love to have as a mentor for someone like Bennett. But the off ice is too much of a risk at this point.
I called him "old blood and guts" in his Flyers days.
Last edited by dammage79; 10-13-2015 at 06:32 PM.
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10-13-2015, 06:32 PM
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Anything more than a 1 year deal at the league minimum would be a mistake.
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10-13-2015, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
- His arrest may automatically enroll him into the NHL/NHLPA substance abuse program
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Silly question, but what is the status of UFA's within the NHLPA?
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