CP Federal Election Poll #2

[rubecube]

Just bumping this because we're now at approximately the same number of votes we had in the first poll. Compared to the first poll:

Liberals are up 6.71% from the previous poll and their lead over the Conservatives has improved by 5.13% from 8.87% to 14%. It would appear that the Liberal increase is coming directly from the NDP, who are down 6.37% from the last poll.

[Looch City]

The even decimals of the poll results pleases me.

[Smartcar]

Voted in the advance poll today. It was a lot busier than in previous years. Hopefully that means better voter turnout.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by eddly

Trudeau, by not defining the middle class, is leaving us to use our own definitions. The fact that there is a large percentage of the population who consider themselves middle class translates to a lot of people thinking they are not going to have to pay higher taxes. Convenient for the liberals. I have asked many people who follow the liberal party to define the middle class. Often they reply that it is obvious... and that it is anyone making between 40 to 80k... that certainly is off from your definition. That is combined family income too.

You have other points id like to address but i need to go to work.

This is one of my concerns with the liberals. I think they are setting us up for a massive tax hike to anyone making more than $100k, which would actually punish most of the middle class folks they are targeting for votes. I see a huge bait and switch coming from Trudeau, don't trust him or that party at all.

The Conservative government has already cut my taxes a number of times AND helped the middle class tremendously with TFSA's, universal child care allowance (bonus for the fairness of this policy), income splitting, tax deductions for youth sports, etc. I'll go with the party who has the proven track record of making my life better.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

So, in your opinion, what gives you this idea that he has to stick with talking points to convey a message?

I've seen Trudeau speak in person and he is great at delivering his scripted speeches and sound bites, but man does he struggle with Q&A. It was an infrastructure conference and we could all tell he had no clue what he was talking about. When asked about Public Private Partnerships he stuttered and then started talking about getting Aboriginals more involved in the economy. (!?)

He does not know his stuff. Don't be duped by the canned speeches and well-rehearsed debate lines.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

I've seen Trudeau speak in person and he is great at delivering his scripted speeches and sound bites, but man does he struggle with Q&A. It was an infrastructure conference and we could all tell he had no clue what he was talking about. When asked about Public Private Partnerships he stuttered and then started talking about getting Aboriginals more involved in the economy. (!?)

He does not know his stuff. Don't be duped by the canned speeches and well-rehearsed debate lines.

You're right what was I thinking? I'd rather be duped by a lying sack Harper government.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

I've seen Trudeau speak in person and he is great at delivering his scripted speeches and sound bites, but man does he struggle with Q&A. It was an infrastructure conference and we could all tell he had no clue what he was talking about. When asked about Public Private Partnerships he stuttered and then started talking about getting Aboriginals more involved in the economy. (!?)

He does not know his stuff. Don't be duped by the canned speeches and well-rehearsed debate lines.

Yeah, Mulcair is far more competent.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

I'll go with the party who has the proven track record of making my life better.

Me me ME! It's all about making MY upper-middle class life better!

Right?

I swear sometimes that the right-left divide comes down to people who just care about themselves, and those who care about the country (and by extension, our own personal good). I know it's not the case, but the amount of "me, me, me" posts from Tory supporters is sickening.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by evman150

I swear sometimes that the right-left divide comes down to people who just care about themselves, and those who care about the country (and by extension, our own personal good). I know it's not the case, but the amount of "me, me, me" posts from Tory supporters is sickening.

Politics does tend to boil down to that to a large extent. However, like you said, it's not always that simple. There are some who actually believe the myth that what is best for the rich is best for us all (ie: "trickle-down economics").

The dilemma I always seem to run into when deciding on who to vote for is the fact that right-wing parties tend to prioritize what is best for the upper and upper-middle classes, whereas center and left wing parties tend to spend too wastefully and run deficits.

It always feels like we have to choose between lesser of evils.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by evman150

Me me ME! It's all about making MY upper-middle class life better!

Right?

I swear sometimes that the right-left divide comes down to people who just care about themselves, and those who care about the country (and by extension, our own personal good). I know it's not the case, but the amount of "me, me, me" posts from Tory supporters is sickening.

The campaigning from all three of the major parties has been revolting in their attempts at capturing the middle class, a portion of the population that arguably needs very little help right now, while completely neglecting the lower-class, working poor, and most vulnerable members of society. It's something I've come to expect from the Conservatives and the Liberals, but it's been surprising to me to see how crass the NDP have been during this campaign as well.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

This is one of my concerns with the liberals. I think they are setting us up for a massive tax hike to anyone making more than $100k, which would actually punish most of the middle class folks they are targeting for votes. I see a huge bait and switch coming from Trudeau, don't trust him or that party at all.

The Conservative government has already cut my taxes a number of times AND helped the middle class tremendously with TFSA's, universal child care allowance (bonus for the fairness of this policy), income splitting, tax deductions for youth sports, etc. I'll go with the party who has the proven track record of making my life better.

How would higher taxes over $100K hurt most of the middle class in a country where the average wage is around $50K and 93% of adults make less than $100K?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

This is one of my concerns with the liberals. I think they are setting us up for a massive tax hike to anyone making more than $100k, which would actually punish most of the middle class folks they are targeting for votes.

First, the Liberal platform says they will only raise taxes on individuals making $200k or more. Individual who make between $44.7k and $199.9k will get a tax break under the Liberal plan. It's your choice to believe they're being dishonest and they actually plan to raise taxes on everyone, but that's certainly not the platform they've campaigned on.

Source: http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/middle-class-tax-cut/

Secondly, you're vastly overestimating the number of Canadians who make $100k or more. As of 2013, fewer than 7.5% of Canadian adults had an individual income >= $100k. Approximately 85% of Canadians make less than $75k/year.

Source: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...il105a-eng.htm

[evman150]

Originally Posted by opendoor

How would higher taxes over $100K hurt most of the middle class in a country where the average wage is around $50K and 93% of adults make less than $100K?

Those who make that much money tend to spend time with people who make that much money, and they can develop an especially pernicious kind of myopia which influences their perception of society.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The dilemma I always seem to run into when deciding on who to vote for is the fact that right-wing parties tend to prioritize what is best for the upper and upper-middle classes, whereas center and left wing parties tend to spend too wastefully and run deficits.

Like the Chretien/Martin Liberals who cut spending, reduced individual and corporate taxes, got the deficit under control, and ran balanced/surplus budgets every year from 1998-2005?

[evman150]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Like the Chretien/Martin Liberals who cut spending, reduced individual and corporate taxes, got the deficit under control, and ran balanced/surplus budgets every year from 1998-2005?

Or the current right wing government running six straight deficits totaling close to 150 billion dollars.

Edit: But never mind that, they recovered 1% of that this year, ergo they are the economic stewards we must keep on trusting!

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by evman150

Me me ME! It's all about making MY upper-middle class life better!

Right?

I swear sometimes that the right-left divide comes down to people who just care about themselves, and those who care about the country (and by extension, our own personal good). I know it's not the case, but the amount of "me, me, me" posts from Tory supporters is sickening.

I never understood this mentality. People are going to vote for what's best for them, and they should. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for someone who would be detrimental to their own well-being just to "take one for the team" (for lack of a better term)?

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I never understood this mentality. People are going to vote for what's best for them, and they should. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for someone who would be detrimental to their own well-being just to "take one for the team" (for lack of a better term)?

Because some of us would like to believe that people in this country would want to help those struggling and see breaks given to those who need them than vote because they can save 500 bucks in a tax break when they decide to remodel their deck.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

He does not know his stuff. Don't be duped by the canned speeches and well-rehearsed debate lines.

Ahh, cause he knew exactly what other people were going to say. I forgot he was a telepath... but then... why don't we want the telepath as our leader? He can literally READ MINDS.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I never understood this mentality. People are going to vote for what's best for them, and they should. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for someone who would be detrimental to their own well-being just to "take one for the team" (for lack of a better term)?

Are altruism and empathy completely foreign concepts to CPC supporters?

[MarchHare]

If wealthy people support the Conservatives, it's because they're rationally voting for their own self interests, like any sane person would do.

If poor people vote for the NDP, it's because they're parasites looking for free government handouts without giving a thought about the state of Ottawa's finances.