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whosurnabby · 10-09-2015, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan02

jesus guys, did Yogi teach you nothing?

It ain't over till it's over.

Some people just show up on these Blue Jays threads when they are losing, yet cannot conjure a single post when the Jays are actually WINNING. SMH. Take delight that we're actually talking about baseball this far in October rather than whining about this or that. There's still Game 3 left to be played, and the Jays might play better now that they have to battle adversity.

ben voyonsdonc · 10-09-2015, 06:50 PM

Is there anyone here who doubts that this team can win three in a row? I still believe. We've done it before.

Dion · 10-09-2015, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan02

jesus guys, did Yogi teach you nothing?

It ain't over till it's over.

Just as quickly they'll back on the bandwagon should and if the Jays win the next 2 and force a game 5 back home. Crutches all of course.

ben voyonsdonc · 10-09-2015, 06:53 PM

Alpine Oracle, are you PeteLFan? We get it...you aren't happy with Gibbons or anything else with the team but your relentless repeating of the same points gets old quickly.

browna · 10-09-2015, 06:53 PM

As figured, Stroman a bit too amped up, and then booting the ball like they did in the Buehrle start in the 1st inning.

Not getting a run through what, 7 innings to the 14th kills it. Way too much pressure those guys are feeling.

I didn't think the lineup would turnover twice in extra innings without the Jays coming through with something.

That said, without a doubt, the Dome being closed prevented an EE home run in the 13th. Seen enough games on TV from Skydome and that one off the bat was long gone. Seen much less (with the Dome open) go out this year and that one was hit a lot better and harder than that. Puzzling why its been closed, wonder how that decision is made.

No pressure on the Jays now...once again they were one swing away from tying or winning the game, just like Game 1, and the bats have come up short. Can't get down on themselves now, or suddenly try and change the approach at the plate (some small ball would've helped today, but clearly that's not the way this team is going to win in the long term).

The key will be the Dickey start; if he's got the knuckler moving it hopefully ties up the Rangers for that game, and the next one. Hopefully Pillar and Smoak stop waving at everything out of the zone and watching everything in the zone blow past them. Tulo has to pick it up for more than 1 AB per game.

Still, I expected a huge game from the Jays bats in this series, and now it has to be Game 3 to see another day...they win Game 5 if it gets back to TO.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Is there anyone here who doubts that this team can win three in a row? I still believe. We've done it before.

If any team is capable of winning 3 games in a row it's this team, but it's a tall order against a team that has been arguably as hot as the Jays were in the post all-star schedule.

If they get it going early Sunday, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities. If the Jays don't get off to a good start though, I can see Sunday turning ugly quickly.

That said, if the Jays win games 3 and 4 in Texas, there is no way they are losing game 5 back in Toronto.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 06:58 PM

Has anyone with the Jays commented on who is starting game 4 yet? Is it Dickey for sure?

Jiggy_12 · 10-09-2015, 07:02 PM

It's so easy to key in on a decision and call it a bad one when it didn't go in our favour.

How about when Gibbons left Sanchez in for an additional inning, or when he left Osuna in for an additional inning despite those pitchers not having been used in those roles during the season. But, he left them in there longer to avoid having to go to the guys like Loup, Hawkins any sooner than necessary. Now had that backfired, you would point at Gibbons and say it was a bad call. But it goes well, and it just gets totally over-looked and you harp on the one bullpen scenario that didn't work out.

This is baseball. Sometimes the other team just gets you. There has to be a winner, but it doesn't make it the wrong decision just because it didn't work. It'll never be perfect, it's about minimizing the risk and damage as much as you possibly can.

Roof-Daddy · 10-09-2015, 07:03 PM

Hopefully they loosen up a bit on the road. They definitely seem to be feeling the pressure.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

It's so easy to key in on a decision and call it a bad one when it didn't go in our favour.

How about when Gibbons left Sanchez in for an additional inning, or when he left Osuna in for an additional inning despite those pitchers not having been used in those roles during the season, but he left them in there longer to avoid having to go to the guys like Loup, Hawkins any sooner than necessar. Now had that backfired, you would point and Gibbons and say it was a bad call. But it goes well, and it just gets totally over-looked and you harp on the one bullpen scenario that didn't work out.

This is baseball. Sometimes the other team just gets you. There has to be a winner, but it doesn't make it the wrong decision just because it didn't work. It'll never be perfect, it's about minimizing the risk and damage as much as you possibly can.

Agree 100% that managing in baseball is about managing the risk, and that's why Gibbons is a poor manager in my mind. He doesn't minimize the risk. Sure there are examples when it works out, but when you aren't going with the status and matchups, your are going to lose more often than not at the end of the day. It's akin to a casino. Sure you may win from time to time, but eventually the house is going to win.

Gibbons is too much of a cowboy, going on his gut. I think the Jays abysmal record in 1 run games speaks to that.

It's a good discussion regardless though. I respect your opinion even though we differ. My whole "give me some examples" was more for the drive by posters in this debate.

Hockey · 10-09-2015, 07:44 PM

he was out.

Mathgod · 10-09-2015, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Is there anyone here who doubts that this team can win three in a row? I still believe. We've done it before.

Reminds me of when people were all over me when I said the series was over when the Flames were down 3-1 to the Ducks.

Sometimes the writing is just on the wall. The Jays won't be winning this series. They are not playing anywhere near to the level that they were during the last 60 games of the season. It's not likely that they'll go to Texas and suddenly find their game by Sunday.

JiriHrdina · 10-09-2015, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

Reminds me of when people were all over me when I said the series was over when the Flames were down 3-1 to the Ducks.

Sometimes the writing is just on the wall. The Jays won't be winning this series. They are not playing anywhere near to the level that they were during the last 60 games of the season. It's not likely that they'll go to Texas and suddenly find their game by Sunday.

Yeah no kidding. When teams are down in series they stand a good chance of losing. Bravo.
Fans can choose to have hope or they can choose to predict doom. In cases like this the latter is probably going to end up being true - doesn't mean it isn't OK to have some hope.

But go ahead and keep predicting the bad outcomes that are also the most likely ones - and then come back and tell us all how you "told us so". Sure is impressive.

Caged Great · 10-09-2015, 09:34 PM

The Jays need to relax and let things come organically instead of trying to do everything themselves. They had success when they were willing to pass on the baton to the next guy and so on. At least the ballpark in Arlington is a field the Jays typically mash in and the two pitchers they are going to face are crap so if Estrada and Dickey can be decent, the Jays have an opportunity to come back to T.O.

browna · 10-09-2015, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Jays need to relax and let things come organically instead of trying to do everything themselves.

And to do this they can't get behind in the game, which they have the last two days. Being behind before they've even had a chance to hit, with all the hype going into yesterday and the 22 year stuff, and then pressure to redeem today or else, likely gets some guys squeezing things tighter.

Can't be thinking about mistakes and trying to avoid them, even though they've left no margin for error or even an unlucky play that could mean curtains; they just have to treat as a regular season game at the plate. Get a win tomorrow and then the pressure is on Texas to finish Game 4 or have to go back to Toronto.

Mathgod · 10-09-2015, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yeah no kidding. When teams are down in series they stand a good chance of losing. Bravo.
Fans can choose to have hope or they can choose to predict doom. In cases like this the latter is probably going to end up being true - doesn't mean it isn't OK to have some hope.

But go ahead and keep predicting the bad outcomes that are also the most likely ones - and then come back and tell us all how you "told us so". Sure is impressive.

I didn't have any plans to do any such thing, but thanks for making assumptions and making me out to be an arrogant person.

As for predicting teams to lose when they are down in a series, it varies from situation to situation. There are times when teams are down and it still appears that they have a legit chance to come back and win. There are also times when the writing is on the wall. This is, I think, a case of the latter. Jays used up their two best pitchers in their 2 home games and now have to pull a rabbit out of a hat on the road. I just don't see them suddenly recapturing the form they had when they were chasing down the AL East crown.

Roof-Daddy · 10-10-2015, 08:01 AM

Any chance Navarro catches Estrada tomorrow, and if not, what effect does that have on Estrada's performance?

JayP · 10-10-2015, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Any chance Navarro catches Estrada tomorrow, and if not, what effect does that have on Estrada's performance?

The Jays announced that he would be before the series started. I don't know if being down 0-2 changes anything, but I would doubt it.

Jiggy_12 · 10-10-2015, 09:00 AM

Navarro has been decent with the bat lately too, so I don't think they'll hesitate to use him. Once Estrada is out of the game I would expect to see Martin take over.

CedarMeter · 10-10-2015, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by browna

That said, without a doubt, the Dome being closed prevented an EE home run in the 13th. Seen enough games on TV from Skydome and that one off the bat was long gone. Seen much less (with the Dome open) go out this year and that one was hit a lot better and harder than that. Puzzling why its been closed, wonder how that decision is made.

What's the theory behind this? Wind?