10-08-2015, 10:45 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Bingo has some help!
Really appreciate the guys stepping up. Sorry Kidder had such a nasty first game back to cover.
The Flames were great last year in that they never came out of their game plan regardless of score. Last night they did, and paid for it. Will be interesting to see how these guys handle heightened expectations.
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10-08-2015, 11:02 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
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Hamilton had a miserable first game as a Flame.
-2 in 21:14 minutes with 2 minor penalties.
On Oct 1, 2009 Jay Bouwmeester played his first game as a Flame ..
He was a +2 in a Flame home/season opening 5-3 win over the Canucks with 29:10 minutes of ice-time.... It was a close as Bouwmeester ever came to being the first star in a Flames uniform.
The Canucks went on to win the Division with 100 pts and sweep the Blues in the first round lose a 6 game series to the Hawks.
The Flames went on to miss the first of 5 years of playoffs.
Now that Hamilton has broken the Bouwmeester pattern he should be ready to be an important part of a winning team.
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10-08-2015, 11:07 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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He brought back Karri Ramo to create competition in crease, instilling a four-headed goaltending monster featuring Ramo, Jonas Hiller, Joni Ortio, and Kris Russell.
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That was fantastic. It put a huge smile on my face, which was needed after such an awful first game.
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10-08-2015, 11:10 AM
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#24
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Hamilton had a miserable first game as a Flame.
-2 in 21:14 minutes with 2 minor penalties.
On Oct 1, 2009 Jay Bouwmeester played his first game as a Flame ..
He was a +2 in a Flame home/season opening 5-3 win over the Canucks with 29:10 minutes of ice-time.... It was a close as Bouwmeester ever came to being the first star in a Flames uniform.
The Canucks went on to win the Division with 100 pts and sweep the Blues in the first round lose a 6 game series to the Hawks.
The Flames went on to miss the first of 5 years of playoffs.
Now that Hamilton has broken the Bouwmeester pattern he should be ready to be an important part of a winning team.
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This is some of the most bizarre logic and analysis I've ever seen.
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10-08-2015, 11:31 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Central CA
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Originally Posted by heep223
This is some of the most bizarre logic and analysis I've ever seen.
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Not one mention of Stempniak? Disappointed.
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10-08-2015, 12:26 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Goodlad
Not one mention of Stempniak? Disappointed.
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I have hope for Hamilton. I am worried that Frolik will take up the Stempniak role of getting a lot of ice time and not accomplishing a lot.... but not quite ready to call it.
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10-08-2015, 12:41 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Toonage
Thoughts on moving Bennett to 2nd line LW? Small sample size, but he seems to have more drive with less responsibility on the wing.
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He's the highest rated, highest drafted center the organization has ever had coming out of junior. He should be developed as a center.
Down the road, maybe make the determination to shift him to the wings if he hasn't worked out down the middle for some reason. But that evaluation is years away from now.
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10-08-2015, 12:52 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
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great write-up, Jeff
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10-08-2015, 01:02 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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To those who would already like to abandon Bennett at C after 1 game...
We have two young centers that will be huge parts of our foundation for years to come. Patience MUST be shown to BOTH players if we are to succeed long-term.
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10-08-2015, 01:15 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
I have hope for Hamilton. I am worried that Frolik will take up the Stempniak role of getting a lot of ice time and not accomplishing a lot...
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So, of the Flames two major acquisitions from the summer, one looks terrible and you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt specifically because he looked terrible. The other was arguably the best player for the Flames on the night and you are worried about him?
This is all just very bizarre.
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10-08-2015, 01:30 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: nexus of the universe
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Thanks guys, appreciate it.
Some great thoughts and insight it this thread.
Also need to give huge props to Bingo, who wrote all 93 of these last season. That's incredible.
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10-08-2015, 01:33 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
So, of the Flames two major acquisitions from the summer, one looks terrible and you are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt specifically because he looked terrible. The other was arguably the best player for the Flames on the night and you are worried about him?
This is all just very bizarre.
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If Frolik plays the same way as he did last night, and most of the last 2 years with the Jets, and gets 17 miutes of ice-time then the Flames are not going to win a lot of games. He was not any worse than the other Flames but did not pick up or spark the Flames. He did not make Backlund or Bouma any better than when they had Jones on that wing. He just takes up space.
He delivered what is expected from a bottom-6 forward, bottom 2-defense... just eat up ice time until the good players that can win games get a breather.
If Hamilton plays as bad as he did the first game as a Flame AND drags Gio down with him... then this is the first year of a rebuild..... I just can't see him being that bad.
My Bouwmeester reference was just to point out how incredibly wrong we can be about a player based on his first few games with his new team.
Last edited by ricardodw; 10-08-2015 at 01:36 PM.
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10-08-2015, 01:43 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
If Frolik plays the same way as he did last night, and most of the last 2 years with the Jets, and gets 17 miutes of ice-time then the Flames are not going to win a lot of games. He was not any worse than the other Flames but did not pick up or spark the Flames. He did not make Backlund or Bouma any better than when they had Jones on that wing. He just takes up space.
He delivered what is expected from a bottom-6 forward, bottom 2-defense... just eat up ice time until the good players that can win games get a breather...
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I'm stupefied...
This is possibly the most short-sightedly inaccurate read on a player from both a single game and a long term that I have ever seen.
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
My Bouwmeester reference was just to point out how incredibly wrong we can be about a player based on his first few games with his new team.
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
...Now that Hamilton has broken the Bouwmeester pattern he should be ready to be an important part of a winning team.
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The moral of the story here is that a single game—especially Game #1 on the schedule—is not the barometer by which to measure the performance of any player. I think that your mention of a "Bouwmeester pattern" is dumb, but the point is fine. Just so long as you are as willing to extend such latitude equally to Frolik, who was much, MUCH better than Hamilton and most other Flames players in last night's game.
For the record: I am not the least bit concerned about either of them.
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10-08-2015, 01:49 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bingo
Paul Romanuk ... sigh.
I couldn't believe that section in the second where he and Johnson ignored the play completely to talk about how special the Sedins are. It must have been 5 minutes. You see that in baseball but not hockey.
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How many times during the first two periods did he mistake Ferland for Engelland? Sheesh.
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10-08-2015, 01:53 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I'm stupefied...
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uh, some of you guys new here? hello? RGI anybody? none of this should be remotely surprising...
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10-08-2015, 02:03 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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You learn more from failures than successes.
Regarding Bennett comments... Bennett doesn't need to be bubble wrapped. If it doesn't look like Bennett is swimming or figuring anything out at all in a few weeks, toss him on wing for a little, then send him back to 3c. Freaking out after a bad game and wanting him to play wing is overreacting by a lot IMO.
I feel like the boys will learn from this so I'm not concerned. If we go on a big skid, maybe I'll be a little worried, but come on. We ain't seen nothing yet.
I'm thinking that getting upset at this point is pretty much like getting mad a model doesn't feel solid when the glue hasn't even dried yet. Give it some time.
Last edited by DoubleF; 10-08-2015 at 02:09 PM.
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10-08-2015, 02:07 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Hamilton had a miserable first game as a Flame.
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On Oct 1, 2009 Jay Bouwmeester ....................
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Stopped reading. Seriously, let it go already
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10-08-2015, 02:16 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jacks
Stopped reading. Seriously, let it go already
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For me, ricardo's posts have gradually gone from 'don't take this seriously' to 'hahaha what did I just read?'
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10-08-2015, 02:23 PM
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#39
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Calgary
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The rhetoric is pretty tiring. Why are we talking about Boumeester? Why so much hatred for Frolik?
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10-08-2015, 02:28 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I'm stupefied...
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Originally Posted by Jacks
Stopped reading. Seriously, let it go already
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Originally Posted by Gaskal
For me, ricardo's posts have gradually gone from 'don't take this seriously' to 'hahaha what did I just read?'
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Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff
The rhetoric is pretty tiring. Why are we talking about Boumeester? Why so much hatred for Frolik?
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