[PGT] Canucks 5 @ Flames 1

[heep223]

Originally Posted by 868904

People and media are making way too much of the 3 goalie thing and it's only because they lost. If they can't handle competition, then they suck and shouldn't be in the NHL. That is the DNA of the flames, competition within, it worked last year and hopefully it works this year.

Basically, the Flames have 3 cracks at finding a hot goalie and when they do, that goalie will carry the load until he falters and they next one will step up. The money and cap is nothing, Hiller and Ramo are on one years and Ortio makes peanuts.

Ramo was only average and lost, now Hiller gets his chance. If he
Loses too, Ortio gets the ball. I don't know why people are getting all upset about it. It's not this huge blinder at all. Each of these goalies is capable of stealing a game and putting a stop to a losing streak.

People are talking about it because NHL teams don't carry three goalies on their rosters, and Ortio needs to play somewhere.

[Stay Golden]

Another home opener loss, another scarf. It is weird how stastically the Flames lose game 1 and how often it is due to an out of sync poor effort.
Hey Flames marketing enough with the scarfs 5 years in row is a bit much.

[_Q_]

I thought the entire defence looked terrible, particularly Hamilton, Engelland and Kulak. Gio looked OK, probably the best out of the bunch.

Ramo didn't look very sharp, but I don't think he was particularly that bad.

Nobody stood out on the forward group as terrible, but they all looked wildly out of sync. I thought Monahan and Gaudreau looked lost out there compared to their usual selves. I would say that Ferland looked the best out of the bunch, but that's not saying much.

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by FBI

Yikes. Did we even let that many shots against us in ANY game last year? Really hope Bob slaps them around and gets them prepared for game 2. (Especially since I am going to that game)

Hamilton bad start, hoping to see bounce back. Also Gio -3.. Also Stop being so cute and shoot the dang puck.

Look forward to seeing Ortio soon. I kinda think they should start Ortio on Saturday. Last time he was there he shut them out 1-0.

Chicago outshot us like 50-18 in our 5th game last season. We just happened to be extremely lucky and win it 2-1 in OT.

[troutman]

The Canucks played a great game. Gave CGY no space and blocked a ton of passes and shots.

[bubbsy]

I would imagine it's called a "3-Headed Monster" for a reason, so one of the few poor planning exercises by this management to date. I can only imagine that they had a trade in place for Hiller that suddenly fell thru after ramo had signed.

i don't think that's the biggest concern. The flames didn't seem like the hungry, out-work the opposition group. The guys on the fan also were talking about how this concern was observed even late in the pre-season (ie. the jets game) where the flames seem to lack the kind of work ethic and urgency we've seen with the team in the last 2 seasons. Even losses were not often a complete lack of hardwork issue.

hopefully yesterday is looked at as a bit of an eye opener, and we see a much better game on Saturday.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO that's kind of scary as Brad and Bob basically were going off a hunch that Ramo would be a better starter...We all know Hiller isn't going to contend for the Vezina trophy but he's a proven commodity in the NHL and last year he was the guy that got the team into the playoffs. Seems really odd as it's kind of Oilers logic to roll the dice on backups magically blossoming into starters...

Honestly, the difference between Ramo and Hiller is razor thin. I don't see how you can so emphatically project one as a clear choice ahead of the other. Both will have frequent strong outings, and both have their warts, which is why neither one is a bona fide starting NHL goaltender. I am not the least bit convinced that Hiller does a thing to help the team win that game last night.

[Toonage]

I prefer Ramo to Hiller, but yeah, its hard to say if Hiller would have been any better. The first goal maybe Hiller stops but he too doesn't hug the post and leaves gaps. The huge save on Sedin that Ramo stopped with his blocker maybe gets snagged by Hiller's glove or he does his seal like flop towards it for a lucky save. Rebound control may have been better which could prevent the Sutter goal, and maybe the one that Ramo directed off of a Sedin. The last goal, Hiller's size likely would have prevented. Bottom line though, Flames only got 1. It really didn't matter who had the net last night.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Komskies

Chicago outshot us like 50-18 in our 5th game last season. We just happened to be extremely lucky and win it 2-1 in OT.

You mean our goalie played out of his mind and stole it for us.

[northcrunk]

So starting line up for next game?

Bollig - Ferland - Jones
Hamilton - Engelland

[hockey.modern]

Is there a practice today?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Honestly, the difference between Ramo and Hiller is razor thin. I don't see how you can so emphatically project one as a clear choice ahead of the other. Both will have frequent strong outings, and both have their warts, which is why neither one is a bona fide starting NHL goaltender. I am not the least bit convinced that Hiller does a thing to help the team win that game last night.

Agreed.

I don't think it really matters who is in net for this team on a given night, calgary is going to get sub .910 sv% results from the Ramo/Hiller Tandem with one of them periodically stealing a game and periodically blowing a game.

I want to see Ortio get some icetime.

[getbak]

It was a typical opening night home game. Leaguewide, over the last three seasons, the home team is 2-9 on opening night.

It happens.

It's nice they have two days off to regroup and refocus.

[CroFlames]

I don't think either team played particularly well but the Canucks capitalized on chances.

That was definitely not mid-season form from either club. Re-group, move on. Was not a pretty game.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Agreed.

I don't think it really matters who is in net for this team on a given night, calgary is going to get sub .910 sv% results from the Ramo/Hiller Tandem with one of them periodically stealing a game and periodically blowing a game.

I want to see Ortio get some icetime.

I think HIller would have fared better last night. Not saying he's better overall, but Hiller's style I think would have saved a few goals last night.

No doubt in my mind he would have had the Hansen slapper. That would have been a routine blocker save given he catches right.

Sedin's goal from the side of the night I believe he would have saved. Hiller tends to hug the posts better whereas Ramo will cheat.

Sutter's goal was fluke, as was Widemans. But now your looking at a 3-1 game instead of 5-1.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by hummdeedoo

Really find Bennett is struggling as a center at the moment. Not sure why many think he could play as a second line center when he's having a hard time as a 3rd center.

I think because most people know he's a 19 year old who has played 12 NHL games total, less than 10 at center, and only 1 as a third line center.

You have to give him a whole lot more time to develop than that and the only way to learn how to be a 1st/2nd line center is to play center through the struggles.

He's a naturally gifted scorer. That will come. But being a good NHL center takes work for every single player out there.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by getbak

It was a typical opening night home game. Leaguewide, over the last three seasons, the home team is 2-9 on opening night.

The home team in MLB Wild Card games have done poorly too.

Too much pressure on the home teams?

[Badgers Nose]

As others said, average (or above average, LOL) goaltending with a bad defensive effort = ugly.

Three decent goalies does not equal one good goalie.
- Hiller is a cast off
- Ramo is a cast off
- Ortio still needs to show us what he is

IDK what keeping the first two gets the Flames. They are what they are, not part of the future and not likely to develop much more.

It would be better to have a kid as #1 and #2. Invest in the future. Flames fans are patient and will back kids, the last two years proves it.

[AcGold]

This game was botched for 2 main reasons.

1. Shot attempts were brutal, nobody driving the net and no penetration to the high scoring areas. The Canucks closed down the slot and we had nothing, gotta stretch them out and make d to d passes or cycle at least a little because holding on to it and shooting into a sea of Canucks was no good.

2. Stupid mistakes and stupid penalties got us to 3-1. It could have been 1-1 if we were more disciplined. We weren't getting outplayed in the first half of the game it was just amateur mistakes that cost us a lot.

The goalie situation probably hurts us without a starter, the team is much less cohesive. Let Ortio try at least, he won't be worse than Ramo. That wasn't all on Ramo but at the same time we need better tending.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think HIller would have fared better last night. Not saying he's better overall, but Hiller's style I think would have saved a few goals last night.

No doubt in my mind he would have had the Hansen slapper. That would have been a routine blocker save given he catches right.

Sedin's goal from the side of the night I believe he would have saved. Hiller tends to hug the posts better whereas Ramo will cheat.

Sutter's goal was fluke, as was Widemans. But now your looking at a 3-1 game instead of 5-1.

Actually Hiller cheats all the time on posts. He was burned a few times last year. Flames coaching staff might have fixed that with him, but I think Hiller probably only saves one of those goals - the first.

But that could have changed the game. Who knows?