[PGT] Canucks 5 @ Flames 1

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Also, please sit Ramo for a while. He wasn't the only one to blame for tonight, but he did nothing to help his team. Defense having an off night? You need to find a way to keep them in it. Ramo really failed tonight and is a major reason why the team didn't play with much confidence. It starts with your goaltender. Hiller and Ortio should have been the tandem this year anyway, and signing Ramo has only confused things. Can't wait for this 3 goalie thing to be over.

This management team has done almost everything right but the Ramo signing is a major blunder for this team. They should have just gone into the season with Hiller and Ortio. Ramo was mostly an afterthought for this team last season and he has a couple of decent playoff games and for whatever reason the coach and GM feel this guy is starter material over the guy that got them into the playoffs and won them a first round series? Just a bad decision all around. I don't mind Ramo as a backup but that role should have gone to Ortio this season as this team is still in a process of plugging in their drafted players and one season exceeding expectations shouldn't have changed that as they should have stuck to the process. Ramo is simply not starter material so now they are stuck in a situation where they will likely have to pay a goaltender a tall salary to play in the AHL.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This management team has done almost everything right but the Ramo signing is a major blunder for this team. They should have just gone into the season with Hiller and Ortio. Ramo was mostly an afterthought for this team last season and he has a couple of decent playoff games and for whatever reason the coach and GM feel this guy is starter material over the guy that got them into the playoffs and won them a first round series? Just a bad decision all around. I don't mind Ramo as a backup but that role should have gone to Ortio this season as this team is still in a process of plugging in their drafted players and one season exceeding expectations shouldn't have changed that as they should have stuck to the process. Ramo is simply not starter material so now they are stuck in a situation where they will likely have to pay a goaltender a tall salary to play in the AHL.

It's not the end of the world and it won't hurt them much, but I agree that it was a weird decision. We still haven't really heard a clear rationale. Going with Hiller/Ortio seemed like such an obvious move...the only thing I can think of is that they really don't trust Hiller. Which is also weird.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by heep223

It's not the end of the world and it won't hurt them much, but I agree that it was a weird decision. We still haven't really heard a clear rationale. Going with Hiller/Ortio seemed like such an obvious move...the only thing I can think of is that they really don't trust Hiller. Which is also weird.

Sportsnet panel, spoke about the three goalie situation. One of the Media rep said its basically a terrible situation to manage,

I suspect the Flames will move one goalie (Waiver, trade) in a week or two.

[heep223]

Doesn't seem like there's much of a market for a trade....I guess they could waive Hiller or Ramo. I doubt either would get claimed.

They backed themselves into an awkward corner by re-signing Ramo I just don't really get it.

[burn_baby_burn]

I wonder if Ramo was close to signing with the Oilers and management panicked?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by heep223

Doesn't seem like there's much of a market for a trade....I guess they could waive Hiller or Ramo. I doubt either would get claimed.

They backed themselves into an awkward corner by re-signing Ramo I just don't really get it.

The only way this makes sense is if—as has been widely reported—Treliving had a deal in the works for Hiller that fell through after 1 July.

[Vinny01]

Sucks this team had to be given a wake up call. Hope they weren't reading too much into the media thinking they were going to be great and Vancouver will suck so why try hard.

How they respond could be telling of what kind of season this will be

[codynw]

Originally Posted by casucks

What!!!??? Hockey started? It's all about the Jays until ball is over!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The only way this makes sense is if—as has been widely reported—Treliving had a deal in the works for Hiller that fell through after 1 July.

IMO that's kind of scary as Brad and Bob basically were going off a hunch that Ramo would be a better starter. I say hunch because there's no decent sample size last season or any other that would indicate Ramo is in any way ready to be a full time starter. We all know Hiller isn't going to contend for the Vezina trophy but he's a proven commodity in the NHL and last year he was the guy that got the team into the playoffs. Seems really odd as it's kind of Oilers logic to roll the dice on backups magically blossoming into starters.

Edit;

Duhatschek on 960 right now saying Ramo is a guy that on any given night you could watch the highlights and see him make a spectacular save but you look at the stats and what you would prefer is a 2.01 GAA and SV% over 920 and he's not close to being able to provide that. Also makes a point that they absolutely have to find out what they have in Ortio and they aren't going to find out until he gets a chance to play games and this situation makes that extremely difficult.

[Northendzone]

i sure hope that jimmy t is working the phones this morning - if i were him, i'd be looking at a trade to shake things up.

the jets and oilers now have a game in hand on us and we are in a tailspin - if the playoffs were to start today our streak of consecutive years in the playoffs would end at 1!!!!!

[hummdeedoo]

Really find Bennett is struggling as a center at the moment. Not sure why many think he could play as a second line center when he's having a hard time as a 3rd center.

I was disappointed with the Flames last preseason game - it was supposed to be a tune up for the real games and they just carried that game into this one.

They seemed to press too much once they got behind. Some real gong show moments out there.

Hope they don't take too long to sort things out.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Hiller isn't going to contend for the Vezina trophy but he's a proven commodity in the NHL and last year he was the guy that got the team into the playoffs.

And besides the start to game 6 he was pretty solid against the Canucks. If it wasn't for him I don't think they win game 1 and that could have very well changed the series.

[psyang]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO that's kind of scary as Brad and Bob basically were going off a hunch that Ramo would be a better starter.

Or, that other teams were only interested in Hiller (or Ortio)...

[868904]

People and media are making way too much of the 3 goalie thing and it's only because they lost. If they can't handle competition, then they suck and shouldn't be in the NHL. That is the DNA of the flames, competition within, it worked last year and hopefully it works this year.

Basically, the Flames have 3 cracks at finding a hot goalie and when they do, that goalie will carry the load until he falters and they next one will step up. The money and cap is nothing, Hiller and Ramo are on one years and Ortio makes peanuts.

Ramo was only average and lost, now Hiller gets his chance. If he
Loses too, Ortio gets the ball. I don't know why people are getting all upset about it. It's not this huge blinder at all. Each of these goalies is capable of stealing a game and putting a stop to a losing streak.

[Strange Brew]

On a night that the team was completely outplayed in every facet, I am not too hung up on the goalie situation. Agree that the 3 goalie system is a problem, but it was a problem before this game.

Canucks looked pretty good and Flames were horrible. Only one game for sure, but the vaunted D corps was much less than advertised. if you have the best D corps in the league, then missing Brodie should not turn you into a clown show overnight.

Season openers are never a great barometer of how a team will play over the course of a season. In the big picture, a wake up call may be more valuable than the 2 points.

[GreenLantern]

Ah well, Flames blunder another opener not a big deal. Ramo could have been better, but I liked what I saw from a lot of players out there and the big 3 got on the board. Next game will be different. That fight off the bat wasn't a good thing for the Flames, I really wish Ferland would have just skated away and scored instead.

[Fire]

Typical season opener. Not concerned unless this goes on for the next couple of games.

[FBI]

Yikes. Did we even let that many shots against us in ANY game last year? Really hope Bob slaps them around and gets them prepared for game 2. (Especially since I am going to that game)

Hamilton bad start, hoping to see bounce back. Also Gio -3.. Also Stop being so cute and shoot the dang puck.

Look forward to seeing Ortio soon. I kinda think they should start Ortio on Saturday. Last time he was there he shut them out 1-0.

[Red]

Peter Maher said that Hartley's response about Ramo was that he was no different than the rest of the team.

I agree, he was not good. The first goal deflated the team, they were terrible after that.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by 868904

People and media are making way too much of the 3 goalie thing and it's only because they lost.

If they can't handle competition, then they suck and shouldn't be in the NHL. That is the DNA of the flames, competition within, it worked last year and hopefully it works this year.

Not true, media types were saying before the regular season that a 3 goalie system is not a great situation.

Basically its really difficult to practice with 3 goalies etc..........

In my view, this is a short term situation that will need to be resolved (i.e. Waiving one of them).