[News] Flames put Byron and Raymond on waivers. UPD: Byron claimed by Habs

[Bingo]

Quite often the waiver wire is an excellent t-up for a trade. Teams see that nobody wants a guy which gives them the leverage to get the Flames to either throw in something and/or pay for part of the contract.

Likely step, hopefully they find a taker. Feel bad for the guy though. League is going young with very few one directional players left.

[Bingo]

Quite often the waiver wire is an excellent t-up for a trade. Teams see that nobody wants a guy which gives them the leverage to get the Flames to either throw in something and/or pay for part of the contract.

Likely step, hopefully they find a taker. Feel bad for the guy though. League is going young with very few one directional players left.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, about $4.6M. But other than assignments I think what we see is what we get.

Granted I also think Hiller is gone fairly soon.

At the end of the day though, as long as Raymond is assigned to the AHL the cap and money dont matter because there is literally nothing we can do about either of them, all we can ask for is his roster spot.

But that $4.6 is only around if Brodie is moved to LTIR. The timetable for his return was 3 to 6 weeks, and that was 2 weeks ago. LTIR assignments have to be for two weeks at a minimum. If he's 1-2 weeks away, I can't see him moved to LTIR.

Moving to Smid to LTIR would leave about $3.5M in room. Moving Colborne to LTIR would offer no relief. And recalling Granlund for Raymond or Byron saves less than $200K.

Chances are that the room the Flames have to play with going forward is between $1.7M and $2M. Not $5M.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay, thats my bad, I thought the PA's automatic escalator bump was 5%.

That's not a 5% increase from last year's cap, though. That is an increase from whatever figure they come up with based on last year's actual HRR. (Last year's cap was based on the HRR from the year before.)

In 2014-15, hockey-related revenues were actually down a bit because of the weak Canadian dollar. The cap would have decreased by 1.5%, but since the PA used their option, it went up by 3.5%.

If HRR were to drop by 5% this year (just for the sake of argument), the PA's 5% would only be enough to offset that and next year's cap would remain exactly the same.

[Locke]

Ah! Thanks for the clarification. But, really, my point still stands.

Theres really nothing we can do about it, all we can do is replace him on the roster.

Then again, all kinds of accidents are known to happen in the Stockton area. Accidents happen every day.

I'm talking to you Stockton Transit drivers!

[Vinny01]

Wasn't this the big concern coming outnofnthe lockout from the PA? That mid level guys were going to get pushed out? Getting rid of the bogus years contracts has forced teams to pay their top guys higher cap hits and it in turn squeezes out guys like Raymond, Glencross, etc.

I am not complaining about that fact at all but just a concern I recall the players having during the last negotiation

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Locke

Ah! Thanks for the clarification. But, really, my point still stands.

Theres really nothing we can do about it, all we can do is replace him on the roster.

Then again, all kinds of accidents are known to happen in the Stockton area. Accidents happen every day.

I'm talking to you Stockton Transit drivers!

I wanted to thank this post because of our back and forth about the cap space. But I'm afraid that thanking it might make me an accessory?

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Feel bad for the guy though. League is going young with very few one directional players left.

I know what you are saying Bingo, but don't feel too bad for him, he's still getting paid $3.5 million for the next two years regardless of where he plays.

While guys like Glencross, Wilson, Setoguchi are begging for a 1 year at league minimum.

There are many people in much worse situations.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I wanted to thank this post because of our back and forth about the cap space. But I'm afraid that thanking it might make me an accessory?

Do it! Thank it! You know you want to! Also this:

http://sanjoaquinrtd.com/jobs/Assets...Apr2014(2).pdf

Although, in total fairness I made the same jokes about Stajan many years ago and I regret that as I now really like Stajan on the team.

For the record: I do not want Mason Raymond (<-Full name, thats important, right Hughson?) to be hit by a San Joaquin Transit District motor-coach.

For all Law Enforcement agents perusing this, I am not advocating vehicular assault. For the record.

[kyuss275]

My guess is that if either Byron or Raymond are picked up, then Granlund will be re-called. If Byron ( lets face it Raymond is not getting picked up) does not get picked up they will keep both him and Raymond as extra's. Don't see either getting sent down, if cleared, at this moment.

[dutch14]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

My guess is that if either Byron or Raymond are picked up, then Granlund will be re-called. If Byron ( lets face it Raymond is not getting picked up) does not get picked up they will keep both him and Raymond as extra's. Don't see either getting sent down, if cleared, at this moment.

This is my feeling as well.

[CaptainCrunch]

Someone on this board once said that if you have Paul Byron in your lineup, it points to weak depth, and whoever that poster is he's right.

Paul Byron was a placeholder until a younger better player came along, and unfortunately for him, but fortunately for the Flames, that day has come.

I like his heart and his speed, but Paul is going to be that injury replacement AHL guy and that's where he belongs.

[FlamesFanFromBC]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

But that $4.6 is only around if Brodie is moved to LTIR. The timetable for his return was 3 to 6 weeks, and that was 2 weeks ago. LTIR assignments have to be for two weeks at a minimum. If he's 1-2 weeks away, I can't see him moved to LTIR.

Moving to Smid to LTIR would leave about $3.5M in room. Moving Colborne to LTIR would offer no relief. And recalling Granlund for Raymond or Byron saves less than $200K.

Chances are that the room the Flames have to play with going forward is between $1.7M and $2M. Not $5M.

I've seen other teams place players on IR retroactive to the date they were injured. Pretty sure the Flames would have this option with Brodie & Smid

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanFromBC

I've seen other teams place players on IR retroactive to the date they were injured. Pretty sure the Flames would have this option with Brodie & Smid

Unfortunately, the timing of the injuries screws us in this regard. LTIR doesn't exist until the season starts, and the rules specifically state that a player has to miss 24 days and 10 regular season games. So if we were to LTIR either, they are gone for virtually all of October.

[calgaryblood]

Don't understand the Byron waiving. He is a legitimate NHLer who adds speed, grit, AND toughness. Plays like he is 6'3. Hopefully he stays with the Flames.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Quite often the waiver wire is an excellent t-up for a trade. Teams see that nobody wants a guy which gives them the leverage to get the Flames to either throw in something and/or pay for part of the contract.

Likely step, hopefully they find a taker. Feel bad for the guy though. League is going young with very few one directional players left.

True. Russell had just cleared waivers when we traded a 5th for him. I'm not going to dig up the thread but there were a few posts asking why we'd give up a 5th for this guy when we could've had him for free?

[PeteMoss]

Is there anything pointing to these guys actually being sent down? They are on waivers. There's nothing stating they have to go down to the minors and given they sent Granlund down to get to 23 men I'd expect they'll both be here to start to the season.

Didn't this same thing happen to Byron last year (or two years ago?)

[MarkGio]

There could be a trade that's pending these guys clear waivers

[Looch City]

Anyone know Byron's stats on breakaway? 0/12?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by polak

Yesssss to both. I don't think I could stomach another season of Byron breakaway misses. He reminds me of a worse Matthew Lombardi.

Last year was painful but,the year before he buried almost everyone he had.