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Street Pharmacist · 10-02-2015, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

7.5 this season and the owner has already said Yzerman can do pretty much anything he wants money wise that makes sense for the team. So unless Yzerman is low-balling in a big way he's going to get a monster contract. That and a stacked team, not sure what else he wants. Toronto seems like he would be taking about 20 steps backwards.

If Yzerman wants to keep Hedman, Bishop and the triplets, I'm not sure they can afford that

Enoch Root · 10-02-2015, 08:29 PM

Kovalchuk?

Finger Cookin · 10-02-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Kovalchuk?

Probably the closest comparable, but even that was only from February to the end of the season before he needed to be re-signed.

KootenayFlamesFan · 10-02-2015, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If Yzerman wants to keep Hedman, Bishop and the triplets, I'm not sure they can afford that

Yeah, I guess it depends who Yzerman wants to keep. Stamkos isn't even 26 yet, so it's not like he's much older than the triplets (basically the same age as Johnson and Palat).

I think I'd pull a Chicago and spend whatever you have to keep your core there and worry about the rest later. Personally I'd keep Stamkos and trade one of the triplets if I had to.

JiriHrdina · 10-02-2015, 09:32 PM

We know Treliving is a workaholic who calls about everyone available. So that's probably all this is.

Jason14h · 10-02-2015, 10:40 PM

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The Bolts do not need defensemen, so a trade of say Backlund + Poirier/Klimchuk + Hiller/Ramo + 1st would probably be enough even though that sounds like highway robbery.

Yeah I'm sure they would trade one of the 5 best players in the league for a 3rd line center, a B/B- prospect (at best), a expensive goalie to play 15 games, and a bottom of the 1st round pick.

It isn't robbery, its the kind of proposal we would see from an Edmonton fan!

albertGQ · 10-02-2015, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

He's a leaf on June 1st, 2016 IMO

So if the Lightning are playing June 1st in the 3rd round, they'll trade him to the Leafs in the middle of their playoff run?

driveway · 10-02-2015, 11:44 PM

If we're one of the best three or four teams in the west come deadline day and Stamkos isn't signed I hope we go after him as a rental like crazy. 1st + any two prospects.

codynw · 10-03-2015, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by driveway

If we're one of the best three or four teams in the west come deadline day and Stamkos isn't signed I hope we go after him as a rental like crazy. 1st + any two prospects.

Even if he's not signed, why would they trade their best player? The Lightning have a legit shot at the Cup this year and trading Stamkos ruins that.

Hackey · 10-03-2015, 01:03 AM

And why would we trade a 1st and 2 prospects to rent Stamkos?

Cole436 · 10-03-2015, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

Joe Thornton returned Brad Stuart (#2 D-man) Marco Sturm (2nd liner) and Wayne Primeau (4th liner) and he was under contract at the time.

The Bolts do not need defensemen, so a trade of say Backlund + Poirier/Klimchuk + Hiller/Ramo + 1st would probably be enough even though that sounds like highway robbery. Nobody thought a 1st + 2 2nds would get Hamilton.

And it was panned, even at the time, as one of the worst trades in modern NHL history.

If Stamkos is getting traded as a pending UFA, you can bet teams will go insane to get him even as a rental.

troutman · 10-03-2015, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

He's a leaf on June 1st, 2016 IMO

Not if he wants to play in the playoffs in the next 5 years.

Caged Great · 10-03-2015, 02:17 AM

Here's a ufa trade

Hossa and Dupuis (who was not good at the time) were traded for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and a 1st round pick 20th overall (Angelo Esposito)

Hossa was 28 at the time and was 6th in the NHL in points the season prior.

Stamkos is 25 now, and was 14th last year in points.

Giving a premium for the 3 years age difference, that offer I suggested wasn't terribly out of line, and is better than the Hossa trade by quite a bit.

driveway · 10-03-2015, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Even if he's not signed, why would they trade their best player? The Lightning have a legit shot at the Cup this year and trading Stamkos ruins that.

Well, they'll be in a difficult spot. Do you keep Stamkos and go for the cup, or do you try to maximize your assets? The Lightning likely figure to be contenders for the next few seasons with Hedman, the Triplets, Bishop/Vasilevsky and Callahan. If it's really looking like Stamkos is not going to sign and is going to test Free Agency... do you take the run at the Cup and risk losing him for nothing?

It depends, I suppose on your philosophy towards championships: do you prefer a window that's as long as possible, or one that is as wide as possible? Stamkos on your team kicks the window wider open, but moving him for some quality young assets: picks + good prospects, extends the window of competitiveness.

I'm not sure what kind of mindset Yzerman has towards the 'window.' Personally, I'm a 'get it as wide as possible and go for it' guy, which is why I would want to pursue Stamkos as a deadline acquisition if we're a top 3 or top 4 team in the conference.

If we're flirting with 110 points, I'd be in favour of going all-in.

Now obviously this is a whole lot of hypotheticals and speculation, but, should the chips fall the right way this season and Treliving went hard after Stamkos, I'd be in support of that.

heep223 · 10-03-2015, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Not if he wants to play in the playoffs in the next 5 years.

No kidding. Anyone thinking that Stamkos could end up in Toronto needs to give their head a shake.

Jay Random · 10-03-2015, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

No kidding. Anyone thinking that Stamkos could end up in Toronto needs to give their head a shake.

Oh, great. All winter long, the Toronto media will sound like maracas.

Poe969 · 10-03-2015, 05:57 AM

the only thing keeping us from getting stamkos is hanowski. If we added him to any deal, we'd get stamkos. Or we could do cammy for stamkos but it'd have to happen now to make sense...

Personally, I think there is no way to get stamkos on the flames but if there is someone in hockey who can make it happen its BT. Any player is a possibility for him to take (I said take not trade for because when he wants a player, he doesn't trade for him he takes him then gives back whatever he wants to give back)

Resolute 14 · 10-03-2015, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

Joe Thornton returned Brad Stuart (#2 D-man) Marco Sturm (2nd liner) and Wayne Primeau (4th liner) and he was under contract at the time.

The Bolts do not need defensemen, so a trade of say Backlund + Poirier/Klimchuk + Hiller/Ramo + 1st would probably be enough even though that sounds like highway robbery. Nobody thought a 1st + 2 2nds would get Hamilton.

The fact that Boston makes very stupid trades does not mean other teams will.

There is absolutely no scenario where a Stamkos trade does not begin with Bennett or Monahan or Gaudreau. And that, of course, is why no actual talks would have actually happened.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-03-2015, 09:31 AM

Off topic question, why are they called the triplets?

Gaudfather · 10-03-2015, 04:05 PM

A pipe dream - but a good one!