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Senator Clay Davis · 10-02-2015, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I mean sure. I just think it's hilariously hypocritical that you complain about the niqab being made an issue, when you think they should make something significantly more serious an issue when it's not one.

Fight fire with fire I suppose.

nik- · 10-02-2015, 12:47 PM

There's a pretty significant difference in those fires.

You can pretty much never complain about cynicism in politics again.

Looch City · 10-02-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Fight fire with fire I suppose.

It's actually more like

peter12 · 10-02-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Why not? It plays well when the CPC does it. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't work with voters on the other side of the spectrum when it comes to their trigger issues.

I think the abortion debate drum can only be beaten so many times before it stops resonating with people that exist out of a small, ideologically-motivated group.

The CPC could easily push back by claiming that the LPC is obfuscating a very complex economic issue with partisan exploitation of the abortion issue.

rubecube · 10-02-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I mean sure. I just think it's hilariously hypocritical that you complain about the niqab being made an issue, when you think they should make something significantly more serious an issue when it's not one.

I think the only thing I've said on the niqab issue is that it pisses me off that we're wasting taxpayer money on fighting it in court. It's been a sound strategic move by the Conservatives.

rubecube · 10-02-2015, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

There's a pretty significant difference in those fires.

You can pretty much never complain about cynicism in politics again.

Which is probably why it won't happen. Trudeau has run a pretty clean and positive campaign.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-02-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

There's a pretty significant difference in those fires.

You can pretty much never complain about cynicism in politics again.

I think I stopped complaining about it a decade ago. All in the game, like it or not.

nik- · 10-02-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Which is probably why it won't happen. Trudeau has run a pretty clean and positive campaign.

It's a losing strategy anyway. Harper has been stating abortion is not up for discussion for a long time. The reason for any party bringing it up would be clear and partisan. They would pay for it severely.

Parallex · 10-02-2015, 01:01 PM

If I could give advice to the leaders on the debate tonight I'd go thus...

To Stephan Harper: Don't change a thing from the last french debate. You got a bump so it obviously worked.

To Justin Trudeau: Again don't change a thing... except emphasis anything that will help in suburban Montreal.

To Tom Mulclair: Scour your platform for anything and everything that rural Quebecers will like and promote the hell out of it. You can't reverse position on the naqib (even if you wanted to) without paying a price but you can appeal to those that got moved on that issue with other issues.

To Gilles Duceppe: Go atomic on the NDP (and to a much lesser extent the Tories) they're the guys that get the support you used to have. The other guys are fighting for the top job... you're fighting for the political life of not only yourself but your party as a whole.

Hemi-Cuda · 10-02-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

It's a losing strategy anyway. Harper has been stating abortion is not up for discussion for a long time. The reason for any party bringing it up would be clear and partisan. They would pay for it severely.

And the niqab isn't up for debate either, the conservatives have already lost twice in court, it's a dead issue. Yet they still won't let it go and it's working for them in Quebec. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Liberals or NDP jump on the anti-abortion nut and it helps them in the polls

You have far too much faith in the intelligence and reasoning of the average Canadian voter

nik- · 10-02-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

And the niqab isn't up for debate either, the conservatives have already lost twice in court, it's a dead issue. Yet they still won't let it go and it's working for them in Quebec. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Liberals or NDP jump on the anti-abortion nut and it helps them in the polls

You have far too much faith in the intelligence and reasoning of the average Canadian voter

Perhaps I do. I just think a niqab strategy is an "us and other" tactic. This has worked for time immemorial. Abortion is not that. Abortion is two beliefs clashing and isn't inherently tribal. It's also something that has been legally accepted here for 25 years. Abortion is a way, way touchier subject than a niqab. No one wants to touch it and it would be foolish to try and use it imo.

Canuck-Hater · 10-02-2015, 01:09 PM

A tip-line? The insanity continues... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...-law-1.3254118

Looch City · 10-02-2015, 01:11 PM

The Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act.

Hahaha who came up with that naming?? That's actually too funny to be true.

nik- · 10-02-2015, 01:16 PM

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A tip-line? The insanity continues... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...-law-1.3254118

oh dear

rubecube · 10-02-2015, 01:16 PM

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A tip-line? The insanity continues... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...-law-1.3254118

The tip line thing is kind of dumb, as is the name of the act, but I actually don't have a problem with the rest of the policy. Although the likelihood of it actually making any difference is low.

nik- · 10-02-2015, 01:20 PM

There's actually a lot of good stuff in that bill, but by giving it a ridiculous name and a "tip-line" (along with the connotations that go with that) they're going to get it buried in the bluster.

rubecube · 10-02-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

There's actually a lot of good stuff in that bill, but by giving it a ridiculous name and a "tip-line" (along with the connotations that go with that) they're going to get it buried in the bluster.

Yeah, this is the kind of culture rejection/limiting I can get behind because we're actually talking about helping people who aren't consenting to the practice, and the practices are awful, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Canuck-Hater · 10-02-2015, 01:30 PM

Definitely but the problem is its hypocritical. If the Conservatives are really serious about defending women's rights they would cut their alliances with Saudi Arabia

rubecube · 10-02-2015, 01:32 PM

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Definitely but the problem is its hypocritical. If the Conservatives are really serious about defending women's rights they would cut their alliances with Saudi Arabia

Well yeah, but hypocrisy shouldn't stop someone from doing the right thing.

Flamenspiel · 10-02-2015, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

And the niqab isn't up for debate either, the conservatives have already lost twice in court, it's a dead issue. Yet they still won't let it go and it's working for them in Quebec. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Liberals or NDP jump on the anti-abortion nut and it helps them in the polls

You have far too much faith in the intelligence and reasoning of the average Canadian voter

Its not a dead issue in Quebec, in fact the Liberals have bill 94 in play which goes way beyond the citizenship ceremony. Quebec does not have to follow the court and can use the Notwithstanding clause in which legislation overrides the court ruling