[News] Patrick Kane being investigated for rape. UPD: DA announces no charges

[Passe La Puck]

I don't think the lying to suspects or tricking them into confessing is inherently wrong (within reason of course, a good waterboarding will get anyone to confess just about anything they didn't actually do).

The problem with lie detectors though of course is people thinking they're anything but a gimmick used in tricking gullible suspects.

The fact that they seem very prevalent in security clearance is quite alarming, I suspect security clearance does not assume to be attempting to trick gullible applicants.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I read about one case where they fake wired a guy to a photocopy machine which had a sheet of paper saying "LIE" under the cover. Then when they asked the guy about the crime and he denied it, the machine spat out a copy. The guy confessed. This may be an urban myth, but most crooks are dummies.

That is the scene from The Wire in this thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MBates

Interesting.

Though in a recent submission to the Supreme Court of Canada on a police interrogation case R v Willier, one of the parties cited a Michigan Law Review article written by an ADA from Delaware, Laurie Magid, in which she wrote:



http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...ract_id=272659

I suppose the ADA could have been relying on an urban myth too, but really this is hardly an atrocious trick...not hard to imagine she was relying on her own knowledge.

It's certainly not the sneakiest trick I've ever seen.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

I don't think the lying to suspects or tricking them into confessing is inherently wrong (within reason of course, a good waterboarding will get anyone to confess just about anything they didn't actually do).

The problem with lie detectors though of course is people thinking they're anything but a gimmick used in tricking gullible suspects.

The fact that they seem very prevalent in security clearance is quite alarming, I suspect security clearance does not assume to be attempting to trick gullible applicants.

If they were just a gimmick I don't think they would be used as much as they are. Clearly there is some validity to them. How much is the question. I'd be willing to bet they are right more often than they are wrong.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by neo45

That is the scene from The Wire in this thread

Ha Ha yes. That is not a news story. Bunk's idea IIRC.

[FBI]

FBI uses them for application process. They certainly aren't useless like whatever BS Passé La Puck was spouting.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Ha Ha yes. That is not a news story. Bunk's idea IIRC.

Like many things in The Wire, David Simon says he took that scene pretty much exactly from something he saw/heard about in his policing days.

[Passe La Puck]

Okay, science shows they're BS but "they must be real because the FBI uses it".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...310_story.html

[Hackey]

That article is about hair not polygraphs.

[Passe La Puck]

The article demonstrates another example of the FBI not following good science, I am demonstrating a pattern since you seemed to think that if the FBI uses it it must be good.

There is a lot of research showing lie detectors don't work, and none showing the opposite.

[Hackey]

The issue was with the people applying the science not the science itself. Forensic examiners were overstating subjective evidence.

[Locke]

Well. This is about as far off the tracks as possible.

How long can they drag this out? Get it resolved already.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FBI

FBI uses them for application process. They certainly aren't useless like whatever BS Passé La Puck was spouting.

Wait, you're actually FBI? Haha, I always wondered about that as it seemed like a random username for anyone who wasn't FBI. Neat.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Wait, you're actually FBI? Haha, I always wondered about that as it seemed like a random username for anyone who wasn't FBI. Neat.

Nope I'm not, just know a little bit about them.
The letters are just for my 3 favorite players of all time. (Fleury-Brathwaite-Iginla)

Anyways this is super off track and I hate this thread anyway, just wanted to state if one of the U.S.' premier law enforcement companies uses a polygraph to vet every applicant, something tells me it's not utter nonsense.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FBI

Nope I'm not, just know a little bit about them.
The letters are just for my 3 favorite players of all time. (Fleury-Brathwaite-Iginla)

Anyways this is super off track and I hate this thread anyway, just wanted to state if one of the U.S.' premier law enforcement companies uses a polygraph to vet every applicant, something tells me it's not utter nonsense.

That was a very slick, FBI-like explanation. Covered your *** nicely. Wouldn't expect any less from the best.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That was a very slick, FBI-like explanation. Covered your *** nicely. Wouldn't expect any less from the best.

DUDE! Shut the hell up! You keep outting their agents and the NSA is gonna shut us down!

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That was a very slick, FBI-like explanation. Covered your *** nicely. Wouldn't expect any less from the best.

Hey, what's that weird, red dot on your shirt..


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[Hackey]

Break out the polygraph it cleary says Ferland Bennett JankowskI in his signature. Something isn't adding up here.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Break out the polygraph it cleary says Ferland Bennett JankowskI in his signature. Something isn't adding up here.

Yeah I'm updating the letters to the new batch of players I'm interested in.. Really want Johnny as well but doesn't fit the letters. Somebody recommended G-man for Gaudreau

[red sky]

Ferland Bieksa Irrelevant