2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

How likely is it that Shore is claimed on waivers if we send him down?

Higher than usual. When Florida was shopping him, a lot of teams sent their pro scouts down to watch him in AHL San Antonio. We ended up getting him, but he's a player that's on teams' radars.

[Samonadreau]

The cap hit on a guy like shore makes it a no lose scenario for a lot of teams pick up a guy like that that could have a high ceiling (decent bottom six). I dont think shore is safe to put on waivers (IMO)

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

The cap hit on a guy like shore makes it a no lose scenario for a lot of teams pick up a guy like that that could have a high ceiling (decent bottom six). I dont think shore is safe to put on waivers (IMO)

True, except for two reasons. One, the team must keep him on their roster all season, so that eliminates a lot of teams without room. Second, he still would take up a contract from the 50 contact limit. It still would cost them those two very pricey commodities to pick him up. Same reason is say it's still not likely Hiller or Ramo get claimed.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

True, except for two reasons. One, the team must keep him on their roster all season, so that eliminates a lot of teams without room. Second, he still would take up a contract from the 50 contact limit. It still would cost them those two very pricey commodities to pick him up. Same reason is say it's still not likely Hiller or Ramo get claimed.

Good point. It would be interesting to see a list of players from last preseason that got picked up on waivers to get a baseline of what the market is on guys like shore and byron (one, if not both, of those two gets traded or waived) IMO. Hopefully your rational holds true and we can sneak our guys down.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Good point. It would be interesting to see a list of players from last preseason that got picked up on waivers to get a baseline of what the market is on guys like shore and byron (one, if not both, of those two gets traded or waived) IMO. Hopefully your rational holds true and we can sneak our guys down.

It's really only a team with a specific needs. Tampa Bay just picked a Goalie up because Vasilevsky was hurt. Kind of a "rent a back up" situation where they send the player back through waivers when they don't need him anymore.

[jroc]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

One, the team must keep him on their roster all season, so that eliminates a lot of teams without room.

I don't think this is true. Any team that picks him up can then put him on waivers at any point, but the Flames would then get first dibs on him. (I could be wrong)

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You are talking about waivers when you say "cut loose"? Waiving Stajan is crazy talk, and Jones is quite a good player when healthy (5th or 6th in scoring last year among forwards despite missing time). He scored about as much as Bouma, who everyone loves. Jooris was a good story, but Jones is better.

Raymond could be waived, sure. But that leaves Granlund, Byron and Shore fighting for one remaining NHL spot IMO.

I definitely don't mean waivers for Jones or Stajan. I think both those players could net us something half decent in a trade.

Raymond? Waive him; trade him; anything. He doesn't bring anything tangible to the team. Maybe he sticks & proves us all wrong by scoring 20 goals but I'd sooner bet on Elizabeth May for PM.

[sureLoss]

David Moss is on a PTO with the Milwaukee Admirals (Predators AHL) team.

[flamesfan55]

I would be surprised if a team like Edmonton, Toronto, Arizona don't put in a claim for Shore. If your a "rebuilding" team he would be a perfect player to pick up.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by flamesfan55

I would be surprised if a team like Edmonton, Toronto, Arizona don't put in a claim for Shore. If your a "rebuilding" team he would be a perfect player to pick up.

David Moss???? eww.

I don't think the Flames will lose anyone on waivers. If a team, any team, has interest in one of the current Flames players then BT will get something for that player. It's science.

[Strange Brew]

I think we might be overvaluing Shore. For all the supposed interest in him, we got him for Corban Knight. I don't think his value has increased since then so perhaps we could move him for an older prospect.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think we might be overvaluing Shore. For all the supposed interest in him, we got him for Corban Knight. I don't think his value has increased since then so perhaps we could move him for an older prospect.

I agree. The GM said teams were interested, but he never said the value he could get back at the deadline. For all we know he was being offered 4th/5th round pick. That was last year and he had an okay camp this year but nothing great. In my eyes he did not out play Granlund or Byron. For the posters that thought Stajan should be traded to make room, it was not even close. In no way did Shore come close to making Stajan redundant. I could see him being traded for a "meh" prospect or a conditional pick.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I think it's a bit soon to get rid of shore. He could come good and in my opinion is better in the middle than granny. He's perfect for our press box. Maybe someone gets hurt and he comes in and plays well for us. I'd like to give him more time.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I agree. The GM said teams were interested, but he never said the value he could get back at the deadline. For all we know he was being offered 4th/5th round pick. That was last year and he had an okay camp this year but nothing great. In my eyes he did not out play Granlund or Byron. For the posters that thought Stajan should be traded to make room, it was not even close. In no way did Shore come close to making Stajan redundant. I could see him being traded for a "meh" prospect or a conditional pick.

I was one of those that said trade Stajan to make room. But I never said he (Shore + Colborne) was able to replace Stajan or Jones either. I said that you trade him while he has value to make room and hope the players can grow and fill in the hole left behind from Stajan's departure as we are still rebuilding and it's assumed Stajan won't be part of the core as we compete going forward.

EDIT: Just noticed the comment regarding waiving Stajan. That's idiotic. Stajan has trade value (and arguably worth more on our team than others, but he still has positive trade value).

[Ozy_Flame]

Shore may still have enough interest in the league to package him with one of Hiller or Ramo and flip to a team in need of a bottom-six with a bit of upside and a reliable goaltender. I have no doubt that Treliving is Gandalf'ing the phones right now to make something happen.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think we might be overvaluing Shore. For all the supposed interest in him, we got him for Corban Knight. I don't think his value has increased since then so perhaps we could move him for an older prospect.

I dont think we are over valuing him, he just gets caught up in the deep fringe group we have. Florida took Corban Night because they would rather take anything than know that they would be in the position we are now with a chance of losing him on waivers. If there was an appetite for Sjore at the deadline last year it was probably a similar offer that we made Florida (Corban Night-esque C/D prospect). Shore is a B prospect but the waiver eligible aspect makes him less valuable in a Trade.

[Imported_Aussie]

The problem (a good problem to have mind you) is that the Flames have 17 NHL capable forwards, and only 1 of these (Granlund) is in that bubble group and is also able to go down without waivers. One of those 17 is Raymond, who should go on waivers if he cannot be traded away, but that still leaves a real dogfight for places. This depth has been acquired to cover for injuries and to have more guys with potential to grow into bigger roles.
For Shore to stay on the NHL roster, Raymond and Byron go on waivers and Granlund goes down. Even then, Shore is the 14th forward, and may even find with a long term injury that Granlund comes up and usurps his spot as injury coverage.

I keep thinking of where he would slot in, but with how well guys like Stajan, Jones, Jooris have looked, the only spot may be a revolving place on the 4th line (Ferland, Bollig, etc.)

I see 4 scenarios for Shore, given the depth:

held as 14th forward, limited ice time, draws in to cover bottom 6 guys at C/RW

Waived and claimed

Waived and clears, gets top 6 minutes in Stockton, called up if he impresses/depth trade made

Bundled into trade with a goalie to net a better prospect/pick - Hiller + Shore for ???


Personally, I hope #3 happens - I think he has potential in a 3rd line C/RW role, and it would be good to measure him up against Arnold - his main competition in the AHL

[Samonadreau]

Personally, I hope #3 happens - I think he has potential in a 3rd line C/RW role, and it would be good to measure him up against Arnold - his main competition in the AHL[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Its to bad we didnt get to see Arnold in action this preseason - if he can make the next step you have a non-waiver eligible alternative to Shore on the system already.

[sureLoss]

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
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[Poe969]

Great, Lupul just read that and now he's injured!

I'd take JVR from the leafs but that's about it.