2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Enoch Root]

I like Shore's game. He's big and fast, and plays a smart, 200-ft game.

I just don't see how he fits in the lineup. It's no just the 4 guys in front of him. If it were only that, he would be needed as the 5th guy.

But we also have Granlund, Arnold and Jankowski - all younger, and all still waiver exempt (or not yet even applicable).

My preference would be to keep him AND Arnold, and let them fight it out for the eventual opening on the 4th line. But there is no room on the roster to do that.

And I continue to believe Jankowski is better anyway. Having Arnold and Jankowski is enough, IMO, to make Shore expendable.

I would think we would get a 3rd for him, or no worse than a 4th.

[GioforPM]

Is it a NTC or NMC? Would the latter prevent a demotion to Stockton?

[868904]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Agree.

Center or RW. Seems to be able to play up and down the lineup. Has good size.

One of those type of guys that winning teams seem to have available when injuries pop up.

If I was looking at a opening Roster right now it probably is:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler
Ferland - Bennett - Frolik
Bouma - Backlund - Colborne
Jooris - Stajan - Jones
Bollig-Shore

Raymond gets waved and don't think there are any tears if we lose him.

Byron is the one guy that hurts me to let go just because he plays with so much heart and tenacity. Still feel like there is some untapped potential there as well. (Personally would switch him and Bollig but can't see it happening)

Poirier, Granlund, Agostino, Arnold, Klimchuk are all waiting in the wings as injury callups, and getting close to a spot.

A much bigger, but still talented, lineup when compared to opening night last year though.

I think you pretty much nailed the roster there. You are right, the extra forward spot will come down to Byron, Shore, and Raymond. I think Shore is Treliving's guy, but Byron is easily one of Hartley's favourites. The coach will probably win out. The thing with Byron is he is an impact player. You can't help but notice him out there, whereas Shore is much more cerebral and it's often times hard to see what he's doing.

As for Raymond, he looks even less effective than he did last year. He looks defeated, like he sees the writing on the wall. He was signed because no one knew how Gaudreau would develop, but now he's redundant. I suppose you might want to keep him around in case one of Gaudreau or Hudler get injured, but honestly, even if that were the case, I'd rather have Granlund step up.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Is it a NTC or NMC? Would the latter prevent a demotion to Stockton?

NMC prevents demotion

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What kind of confidence booster are you talking about? Have they not already given him a chance with Hudler and Bennett? I was hoping he could turn it around this pre-season, but he looks worse than he did last year. I'm with the other posters that don't think he can be traded and will be bought out next year. The only question is do they give him a pressbox seat or send him down?

If they give him pressbox then that effects a player like Byron, Jooris , or Shore. To many forwards, and judging from Hartely's statement last night, Bollig is not going anywhere. I really thought he would be traded. I have not even mentioned Granlund. I really don't see much chance of him making team out of pre-season only for the fact they can send him down.

Meh, those were practice lines, weren't they? It doesn't help anyone if he ends up in the minors or if you have 3.1 mill in the press box every night. Might as well try to play him a few string of game with the top forwards and see if he can get it going.

No ones taking him right now as is.

It's a NTC not NMC.

[Enoch Root]

I hate that fans always seem to have to have a whipping boy. And I thought Raymond wasn't as bad as he was made out to be last year.

But it is hard not to agree that several players have just moved past him or are getting close to doing so.

And then there is the fact that, at his age, and with his demeanor, there is no upside - he is what he is.

Finally, I agree with those that think he is actually looking worse than last year so far in camp. It seems with each game, he becomes more and more Comeau-like, carrying the puck as much as possible, but unable to do anything positive with it. So plays die on his stick. And that hurts his line-mates.

I think it has come to the point where he has to be moved off the roster - most likely to Stockton, and then hope a team with injuries would have an interest. Then, if still here, bought out next summer.

I hate saying things like that, but I don't see any other options at this point.

[Enoch Root]

Regardless of how the lines shake out, the following guys are in:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Ferland - Bennett - Colborne
Bouma - Backlund - Frolik
Bollig - Stajan - Jones

So that leaves 2 spots remaining, with 6 guys fighting it out:

Jooris
Byron
Raymond
Shore
Granlund
Arnold

Granlund and Arnold can be sent down, so they almost certainly will be. That leaves:

Jooris
Byron
Raymond
Shore

No way Jooris is out. And Byron is the most under-rated player on the team IMO - the perfect 13th forward. There is no way that you keep Raymond over Byron IMO. I would take Byron 10 times out of 10.

That leaves Shore and Raymond on the outside looking in. You can get an asset back for Shore, so that probably dictates his fate.

You have to move Raymond, IMO. And that almost surely means Stockton.

[kyuss275]

I hate to say it, but Enoch makes a good point about Shore being traded. Don't want to lose him, but something has to give. Also not mentioned, is if the flames have to keep 3 goalies to start the season, because they can't get a trade done, that is another roster spot gone.

[The Original FFIV]

What would people think about packaging our spare parts for one player in order to alleviate the roster logjam. Something along the lines of:

Raymond and Bollig for Umberger. Maybe we get something additional.

Not a hockey trade by any means but a way to manage roster spots.

Umberger probably sits as 14th F but we open up room on the roster and avoid sending vets down to Stockton where they take away development time from prospects.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Meh, those were practice lines, weren't they? It doesn't help anyone if he ends up in the minors or if you have 3.1 mill in the press box every night. Might as well try to play him a few string of game with the top forwards and see if he can get it going.

No ones taking him right now as is.

It's a NTC not NMC.

I could see it playing out a lot like how it played out with Setoguchi last season. The difference being we don't have the flexibility up front this season that we did last year. Without moving Raymond or waiving him, we risk losing other forwards that might be better fits.

There will be a lot of roster decisions that Treliving will have to make. It's going to be interesting watching it unfold.

[devo22]

no thanks. Umberger is pretty slow nowadays, plus has another year at 4.6m and an NTC. Even a worse contract than Raymonds. Plus Bollig is a lock on this team I think, Hartley likes him a lot.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

What would people think about packaging our spare parts for one player in order to alleviate the roster logjam. Something along the lines of:

Raymond and Bollig for Umberger. Maybe we get something additional.

Not a hockey trade by any means but a way to manage roster spots.

Umberger probably sits as 14th F but we open up room on the roster and avoid sending vets down to Stockton where they take away development time from prospects.

Umberger's contract a side, i doubt Philly would do that. I read they want to trade Umberger or Vinny so Laughton can have a spot. Doesn't sound like they want to take an NHL player back, let alone 2.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Umberger's contract a side, i doubt Philly would do that. I read they want to trade Umberger or Vinny so Laughton can have a spot. Doesn't sound like they want to take an NHL player back, let alone 2.

Thing is they have four players that are marginal nhlers listed on their roster that could be easily demoted with no cap implications. If they are really desperate to rid themselves of the contract, they might have to consider such a move. They could afford to take two of our guys back and still have room for Laughton

[Karl]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Is it a NTC or NMC? Would the latter prevent a demotion to Stockton?

Yeah, a NMC will prevent a demotion to the AHL. Raymond only has a NTC though.

[Vinny01]

Eklund is saying the Flyers are looking at a blockbuster which is a team he has had legit connections on.

I still would have some slight interest in the Schenn brothers (more so just Brayden) I wonder if there is a fit? Does Philly have a decent backup goalie?

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eklund is saying the Flyers are looking at a blockbuster which is a team he has had legit connections on.

I still would have some slight interest in the Schenn brothers (more so just Brayden) I wonder if there is a fit? Does Philly have a decent backup goalie?

If Eklund calls trading guys like Jones, Hiller/Ramo, Shore, etc. a blockbuster then he's probably right.

[Gaskal]

How's the possibility sound of looking to deal one of our good extra forward prospects in a package with Raymond in order to free up a bit of roster space? Kill two birds with one stone. Something like Shore + Raymond maybe?

[skudr248]

Raymond for used kenwood washing machine

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

How's the possibility sound of looking to deal one of our good extra forward prospects in a package with Raymond in order to free up a bit of roster space? Kill two birds with one stone. Something like Shore + Raymond maybe?

I've considered the idea of a Stajan, Granlund and Raymond package before as either a rebuild or a centre depth package plus warm body (actually a pay to take our garbage aspect) for picks/upgraded players. The oddest issue we have right now is that we have to punch a hole in our roster to make room for kids. Heck, to expand it, maybe toss in Hiller or Ramo if we take a good goalie option in return to send to Stockton.

I think we would weaken a little moving our Granlund and Stajan, but that's kind of the point. We a place for kids to grow into roles/we need to somewhat over pay for a team to take someone like Raymond.

Heck, I imagine we may need to do something like this for D next season or this season. While not seemingly as necessary, sending Wideman out with lets' say a player like Wotherspoon (not because he sucks, but he's pretty good, but might be a round peg square hold situation) might gather better trades than shipping them out individually.

[MolsonInBothHands]

If Raymond does see the writing on the wall, then I am betting he is also willing to waive is no trade clause.