VW Emissions Rigging

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Just wait and chances are they'll retrofit a urea injection system on your vehicle at no cost to you.

I'm not an engineer but I've read that would be no easy task. Basically VW would have to retrofit an entirely new powertrain and urea tank into existing space without compromising interior space. ("Dude, why is there a tank of...pee...sloshing around in your trunk?")

Probably easier and cheaper to pay out people the depreciated value of the car.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by darklord700

The lawyers are the big winners in this case.

I would think the VW owners who shelled out a lot of money on their car would be the big winners once they get compensation.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by darklord700

The lawyers are the big winners in this case.

They just hired the lawyers that defended BP against the Gulf of Mexico disaster. Oi. They'll get off with only a relative slap on the wrist instead of fraud prosecution.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...missions-cases

On the other hand the DOJ was saying they will start doing criminal charges in certain causes, especially white collar crime with criminal intent. Lets hope they can find a smoking gun.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...yates-memo.pdf

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I would think the VW owners who shelled out a lot of money on their car would be the big winners once they get compensation.

How so? They're likely not going to get more than what the fix will cost, and it's going to take months if not years, plus the time they'll have to give up their car to fix it.

It's going to be a big hassle that they probably won't even break even on.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by darklord700

http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...738/story.html

The lawsuits come quickly. Just to fend off these lawyers will cost VW a lot of resources. Will they have enough manpower to devote to design and quality control anymore?

...or software development?

[chummer]

Glad(and lucky) I sold my TDI about a month ago.

Feel bad for good guys like Pylon and Sopure who will be affected by this.

[Wormius]

I am thinking the opposite will happen, and these particular TDI models will be gold to some people who want the mileage and performance and don't care about about emissions. - assuming you are able to get the cars insured or registered without getting the fix done. If you are forced to get the fix, then good for the environment, but car resale will probably be pretty bad. Who wants a neutered VW?

Bit of an interesting story on it. Looks like a good candidate as a case study in ethics. Especially since there were no whistleblowers at all!

http://hackaday.com/2015/09/23/ethic...diesel-fiasco/

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

They'll get off with only a relative slap on the wrist instead of fraud prosecution.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...missions-cases

Kind of like government bailout darling, General Motors? Their CEO knew of 120 some odd deaths attributable to a faulty ignition and she hasn't even been prosecuted. The total GM fine is less than what the potential max could be for VW - and no one has died from an itsy bitsy increase in VW emissions. Allegedly, we are talking up to 40% of less than 1%.

VW should be awarded a Sveriges Riksbank Prize for their efforts to get their customers around all of this government BS.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

^^Huh? We need "this post is terrible".

[chemgear]

Oh man.

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...in-germany-too

Volkswagen rigged emission tests on about 2.8 million diesel vehicles in Germany, the country’s transport minister said on Friday, nearly six times as many as it has admitted to falsifying in the United States.

His comments, pointing to cheating on a bigger scale than previously thought, deepened the crisis at the world’s largest automaker as its supervisory board held a crucial meeting.

“VW needs to think big and bold,” Warburton said, urging the new CEO to offer to buy back and scrap almost 500,000 diesel cars sold in the United States, which would cost about $6 billion, as well as suspend the 100 engineers most closely associated with the affected engines and software.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Do we have emissions standards like that here? Am I SOL? Tbh I don't want to get rid of my car. Funny whoever mentioned they can stink up the block- always did wonder abot that, and have even had passengers comment hahaba.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Do we have emissions standards like that here? Am I SOL? Tbh I don't want to get rid of my car. Funny whoever mentioned they can stink up the block- always did wonder abot that, and have even had passengers comment hahaba.

Ughh was was looking at selling my Jetta a month or so ago for a bigger vehicle for my family...guess that ain't happening now...

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Tbh I don't want to get rid of my car.

So don't. We're not like Ontario where you have to pass an emissions inspection to renew your registration.

I'm in agreement with Wormius. Once the dust of this settles, I think the un-fixed (whatever the fix may be) TDIs are going to be sought after by the VW crowd who wants the performance and doesn't care about the emissions.

Unless you were planning on selling it next week (in Zulus case, I guess), I have no idea why anyone would be concerned about selling it now. Used cars depreciate with each kilometer anyway.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Do we have emissions standards like that here? Am I SOL? Tbh I don't want to get rid of my car. Funny whoever mentioned they can stink up the block- always did wonder abot that, and have even had passengers comment hahaba.

Canada uses the same standards as the USA. While Alberta doesn't have mandatory emissions testing, there's nothing stopping the government from preventing you from registering your vehicle until you prove that you had the fix done, whatever it ends up being.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by accord1999

there's nothing stopping the government from preventing you from registering your vehicle until you prove that you had the fix done

While technically true, there is absolutely zero precedent for that scenario.

[BlurstOfTimes]

I don't think the government should punish tdi owners for the emissions issue by forcing them to get it fixed to renew registration. Its not the owners fault and home much extra emissions is this in the big picture. I can understand emissions testing and fines/withholding registrstion when an owners car is in disrepair but not for manufacturer screwup. resale market may hurt the owners though it could also have opposite outcome of vw geeks really want these cars.

[GP_Matt]

My prediction is that VW will offer cash and an electronic fix that reduces emissions as well as mileage and performance. Within the week aftermarket shops will spring up to bypass the fix. They same way people with Diesel trucks modify them to pollute more in exchange for a huge bump in mileage.

[robbie111]

So theoretically this could cost close to 400 billion at the top range of fines throughout the world. (18 billion in fines for about half a million US cars and 11 million vehicles worldwide if fines are the same)

That would be the worst case scenario. To be clear I doubt they get fined that much but that figure is staggering and that doesn't include lawsuits.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by robbie111

So theoretically this could cost close to 400 billion at the top range of fines throughout the world. (18 billion in fines for about half a million US cars and 11 million vehicles worldwide if fines are the same)

That would be the worst case scenario. To be clear I doubt they get fined that much but that figure is staggering and that doesn't include lawsuits.

While the $18 billion thrown around is for 0.5 million in the US, I can't imagine they'll be hit that much per car in the rest of the world. Could totally be wrong though.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

So don't. We're not like Ontario where you have to pass an emissions inspection to renew your registration.

I'm in agreement with Wormius. Once the dust of this settles, I think the un-fixed (whatever the fix may be) TDIs are going to be sought after by the VW crowd who wants the performance and doesn't care about the emissions.

Unless you were planning on selling it next week (in Zulus case, I guess), I have no idea why anyone would be concerned about selling it now. Used cars depreciate with each kilometer anyway.

Even in Ontario they don't start testing your car until its 7-8 years old.