Federal Election Called for Oct 19, 2015

[FlamesAddiction]

Oh man. They should have him wearing air force garb in that photo with a "Mission Accomplished" sign in the background. It would have been perfect.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They should have him wearing air force garb in that photo with a "Mission Accomplished" sign in the background.

Well he is sporting his usual helmet hair.

[Fuzz]

Ha, reminds me of this, that I made a while back....

[Erick Estrada]

Uh oh! Look who opened their mouth and said something stupid again;

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/just...list-1.3238441

"I don't know where exactly to point my finger, I think there's probably an awful lot of factors that come together to shape societal behaviours, whether it's certain types of music — there's a lot of misogyny in certain types of music.

"There's issues around pornography and it's prevalence now and it's accessibility, which is something I'm really wrapping my head around as a father of kids who are approaching their teen years.

"And there's also the shifting parental roles, there's a lot of communities in which fathers are less present than they have been. There's a need to have more, engaged, positive role models."

Sounds to me like Justin doesn't think as highly of black men or their choice in music. Now I can't say if the man is racist or not but he's a privileged person that didn't grow up around minorities and probably doesn't have a good handle on why those comments come off poorly. If I'm a minority I don't feel too good about him talking about certain communities and types of music like this as we all know what he's talking about here and it appears he's not very sensitive to the stereotypes. Lets hope we can avoid the disaster.

[surferguy]

Did Canada's Action Plan actually help any industries other than Billboards, radio and TV commercials?

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Just received this in the mail:

That third bullet point though...is this for real? Hahaha cringe worthy

The spin on even the second point is nuts. We rode through the last recession because of relatively high and stable commodity prices, we are crashing into this recession (negative growth for two quarters now) because of low commodity prices. To me this just seems like blind luck (or putting all your eggs in one basket) rather than sound economic "management".

We are middle of the pack according to the IMF and OECD and only really peaked out a couple of years. This is not among the best at all unless you really stretch and only key on some select metrics.

Since that time, Canada has topped the list of G7 performers for annual growth twice.

The first time was in 2008, the second (as mentioned above) in 2009.

Between 2010 and 2014, Canada has been in second or third spot.

Interestingly enough, Canada's projected GDP growth for 2015 will put the country exactly where Harper inherited it in 2006 — exactly in the middle of the pack.

As for employment, the other measure on which Harper stakes his claim that Canada is "head and shoulders" above other G7 countries — the numbers are less clear.

In 2006, Canada's unemployment rate stood at 6.3 per cent — fourth-best among the G7.

Today, the jobless rate stands at 7 per cent — sliding Canada to fifth place in the G7.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/spin...e-g7-1.3178235

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Uh oh! Look who opened their mouth and said something stupid again;

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/just...list-1.3238441



Sounds to me like Justin doesn't think as highly of black men or their choice in music. Now I can't say if the man is racist or not but he's a privileged person that didn't grow up around minorities and probably doesn't have a good handle on why those comments come off poorly. If I'm a minority I don't feel too good about him talking about certain communities and types of music like this as we all know what he's talking about here and it appears he's not very sensitive to the stereotypes. Lets hope we can avoid the disaster.

It's the journalist that is trying to connect those statements to black people and is playing up those stereotypes. There is nothing inaccurate about the statements that Trudeau made as they pertain to gender equality, and they apply to many different communities. It seems like he is reaching pretty far.

Here are the comments that the journalist says are racist:

"I don't know where exactly to point my finger, I think there's probably an awful lot of factors that come together to shape societal behaviours, whether it's certain types of music — there's a lot of misogyny in certain types of music.

"There's issues around pornography and it's prevalence now and it's accessibility, which is something I'm really wrapping my head around as a father of kids who are approaching their teen years.

"And there's also the shifting parental roles, there's a lot of communities in which fathers are less present than they have been. There's a need to have more, engaged, positive role models."

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

The spin on even the second point is nuts. We rode through the last recession because of relatively high and stable commodity prices, we are crashing into this recession (negative growth for two quarters now) because of low commodity prices. To me this just seems like blind luck (or putting all your eggs in one basket) rather than sound economic management.

Yeah lets vote for the guy that feels he's in a different "community" than you and I instead.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's the journalist that is trying to connect those statements to black people and is playing up those stereotypes. There is nothing inaccurate about the statements that Trudeau made as they pertain to gender equality, and they apply to many different communities. It seems like he is reaching pretty far.

Are you black? I think it's pretty obvious in his comments who exactly he was referring to and the journalist has grown up hearing the stereotypes all his life. When someone casually starts talking about "different communities" you can tell there's some separation between where he places himself and others. Maybe it's a very poor choice of words but it certainly sounds to me like he believes black men and their choice of music is plays a role in violence against women. Wether there's merit or not he cannot say that. He can say "there's misogyny in some music today" and he can say "fathers are less prevalent today". He can't say "types" and "communities" because he's just ruled out the himself from this as obviously he doesn't listen to the music and the father issue isn't from his community. It's really poor form.

I said this a long time ago there's an inherent superiority complex with the privileged and he is one of them. His talk here is typical of someone that feels they walk above the commoners. We all saw how Alison Redford got caught up in the privileges to the point she had contempt for the common person. Well you can imagine a man that was born into it.

Whatever man. I'm not a minority. If the people here that are minorities feel comfortable with him separating himself from other "communities" then so be it but IMO there's some smoke here when someone casually spills out segregative talk.

[Erick Estrada]

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-...nst-women.html

Angela Robertson, a member of the panel at Up For Debate and the executive director of Central Toronto Community Health Centres, said Trudeau’s response was “inadequate” and that his words were a “poor choice.”

“Those words have sometimes been used as code words to reference particular communities,” she said. “When we use the code language of absent fathers in certain communities, it has often been code word for black communities, for racialized communities, possibly indigenous communities. Those are communities that have experienced colonization, which deliberately tore families apart.”

Justin likes those code words it appears. Well as long as you aren't black I guess there's nothing wrong with it and it's all accurate. I wonder what his code words are for Asians or Indians? Then again maybe he only has an issue with the black community and their music.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Are you black? I think it's pretty obvious in his comments who exactly he was referring to and the journalist has grown up hearing the stereotypes all his life. When someone casually starts talking about "different communities" you can tell there's some separation between where he places himself and others. Maybe it's a very poor choice of words but it certainly sounds to me like he believes black men and their choice of music is plays a role in violence against women. Wether there's merit or not he cannot say that. He can say "there's misogyny in some music today" and he can say "fathers are less prevalent today". He can't say "types" and "communities" because he's just ruled out the himself from this as obviously he doesn't listen to the music and the father issue isn't from his community. It's really poor form.

I said this a long time ago there's an inherent superiority complex with the privileged and he is one of them. His talk here is typical of someone that feels they walk above the commoners. We all saw how Alison Redford got caught up in the privileges to the point she had contempt for the common person. Well you can imagine a man that was born into it.

Whatever man. I'm not a minority. If the people here that are minorities feel comfortable with him separating himself from other "communities" then so be it but IMO there's some smoke here when someone casually spills out segregative talk.

"Segregative talk"? Where are you getting that? You know what segregation is, right?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-...nst-women.html



Justin likes those code words it appears. Well as long as you aren't black I guess there's nothing wrong with it and it's all accurate. I wonder what his code words are for Asians or Indians? Then again maybe he only has an issue with the black community and their music.

This is actually funny.

One day the guy is a bleeding heart liberal and the next he's a racist using ultra-conservative codewords.

Getting nervous?

[OMG!WTF!]

Wow, that's brain dead language even for Trudeau. He makes me feel smart like all the time. I'd love if someone asked him what community exactly see the fathers missing.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Uh oh! Look who opened their mouth and said something stupid again;

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/just...list-1.3238441



Sounds to me like Justin doesn't think as highly of black men or their choice in music. Now I can't say if the man is racist or not but he's a privileged person that didn't grow up around minorities and probably doesn't have a good handle on why those comments come off poorly. If I'm a minority I don't feel too good about him talking about certain communities and types of music like this as we all know what he's talking about here and it appears he's not very sensitive to the stereotypes. Lets hope we can avoid the disaster.

Who knew Erick Estrada was a human rights activist?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Wow, that's brain dead language even for Trudeau. He makes me feel smart like all the time. I'd love if someone asked him what community exactly see the fathers missing.

Oilpatch?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Oilpatch?

I was thinking south Oshawa (which is mostly white). Lots of young single mothers in that neighbourhood. Lots of prostitution and exploitation of women there too.

The types of music he refers to could easily be Eminem or Iggy Azalea.

It's crazy to think that Trudeau was specifically talking about black people.

[Looch City]

Can't be any worse than Harper's "old stock Canadians" comment.

[rubecube]

I don't know if it gets anymore disingenuous or hypocritical than Harper supporters chastising Trudeau for subtle racism.

That said, he clearly has no clue what he's talking about when it comes to violence against women. The coded language was bad, but the lack of knowledge was even worse.

[Harry Lime]

Eh, read the article. It seems as thought the outraged journalist was looking to attribute that 'subtle racism' based on his previous work. Trudeau's comments on music fits with rap, hip hop, pop and country music, and his comment on 'certain communities' I would read as 'poor communities', which in Canada doesn't relate to the black community as strongly as it might in the States.

A bit of a reach to make an issue out of this at all, but he was stupid to leave himself open to interpretation in the first place.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I was thinking south Oshawa (which is mostly white). Lots of young single mothers in that neighbourhood. Lots of prostitution and exploitation of women there too.

The types of music he refers to could easily be Eminem or Iggy Azalea.

It's crazy to think that Trudeau was specifically talking about black people

Man that's a head scratcher. In the US, of course talking about fatherless communities means primarily black and to a lesser extent other visible minority. It's been talked about for years. The statistics prove it. You can interpret that with racial bias and ignorance or realize the greater problems of economics and classism. That's up to you. But it's not much different in Canada...

http://mbc.metropolis.net/assets/upl...11/WP11-17.pdf

So when you're talking about single parent, in particular single mother, communities, you're talking about visible minorities, not random rednecks outside Ottawa. When you're saying these communities need more positive role models (single mothers are obviously not good enough) you're ignoring the reasons these stats exist.

Iggy Azalea and Eminem produce what kind of music again? Of course Trudeau is talking about hip hop whether it's created by white people or not. It's the genre not the token white constituents.