[PGT] Flames Fall to Oilers Both Games

[AcGold]

If we trade Stajan our buddy Raymond better be on the same plane outta here.

[DiracSpike]

Was at the calgary game last night, personally I'm giving props to Nurse. Smith pretty much jumped him (I'm surprised he didn't get an instigator) and he held his own against a bigger guy. If we're going to criticize the guy for caving in Anderson's face you kind of have to respect him for fighting Smith.

Anyways I thought Frolik and Nakladal looked really good. Drew Shore was catching my eye as well throughout the game. Although Ferland had some big hits he had at least three atrocious give aways in the neutral zone, I wasn't very impressed with him.

Best moment of the game was the two Oiler fans in front of me constantly checking the score of the Edmonton game, and unleashing a mighty roar and double fist pump when the Oilers took the lead. They were so fired up and then when the game ended one said to the other "it's just preseason and doesn't mean anything" and the other guy nodded in agreement. lol

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by AcGold

If we trade Stajan our buddy Raymond better be on the same plane outta here.

We had better move Raymond. He has fallen behind and is not an effective NHL player. He is this years Seto.

[868904]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Was at the calgary game last night, personally I'm giving props to Nurse. Smith pretty much jumped him (I'm surprised he didn't get an instigator) and he held his own against a bigger guy. If we're going to criticize the guy for caving in Anderson's face you kind of have to respect him for fighting Smith.

i think you are missing the point. Andersson had zero fight experience and is a skill player. Nurse has had plenty of fights and fighting is a part of his game. It doesn't matter that Smith is taller than Nurse. They are in the same weight class and they have been fighting the same guys in the OHL. It was a fair fight and no extra props need to go to Nurse. He needed to answer for his clown behaviour after the Andersson fight and he did.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by 868904

i think you are missing the point. Andersson had zero fight experience and is a skill player. Nurse has had plenty of fights and fighting is a part of his game. It doesn't matter that Smith is taller than Nurse. They are in the same weight class and they have been fighting the same guys in the OHL. It was a fair fight and no extra props need to go to Nurse. He needed to answer for his clown behaviour after the Andersson fight and he did.

WTF was Nurse even doing in that fight? First Klinkhammer comes in as the third man, then Nurse graps Smiths nose like a little b@$@$. Nurse is going to be a target this year for teams just for how he plays like a punk.

[Galakanokis]

Yeah, Nurse slugged the crap out of that helmet/visor. Don't see how anyone actually wins that one, good tilt though and hopefully we see it for years to come. Nurse is not there yet but he has all the tools to be a very good defenseman, good prospect to have.

Glad hockey is back.

[Stay Golden]

Meh preseason. It means more to the bubble players and the coaches to determine who ends up back in Jr, AHL etc. Get some line combos figured out for chemistry and then start rolling them out.
I have zero concern losing the split squad games.
Game 1 is what matters to this fan.

[AltaGuy]

If I had one criticism of our team last night, it was that we didn't play (in Calgary) with the speed that was so effective last year. I hope that management sees how important that was to our success last year, and that once our roster is complete we have emphasis placed once more on it. Jooris, Byron, Backlund, etc were really missing from the forward ranks in Calgary.

On another note, Brodie has been pretty disinterested thus far in preseason, but I do hope to see him and Giordano reunited eventually on a permanent basis to form that excellent tandem.

[Street Pharmacist]

I know preseason means little, but if recent seasons are an indication, a very poor preseason is often a harbinger of a bad season. Success or middling preseasons seem to mean little, but terrible ones can carry over

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I know preseason means little, but if recent seasons are an indication, a very poor preseason is often a harbinger of a bad season. Success or middling preseasons seem to mean little, but terrible ones can carry over

The only preseason I remember is when they went 6-0 and missed the playoffs. I think that was the year Fleury tried a come-back and scored his "historical" shootout goal. Other than that, I have no choice but to believe your claim.


Also, I don't understand the hate towards Nurse in this thread. Well, actually I do understand the hate. He's an Oiler. What I don't understand people belittling his play. He is a good d-man already, and has shown toughness. In my mind, he is NHL ready. Smart plays, and very good skater. He has the tools to be a great d-man. It sucks that he's an Oiler and not a Flame.

The Oilers blueline as a whole is not even in the same category as the Flames blueline, so we don't have to worry about 1 player. In fact, he'll probably get traded for picks anyway before his ELC is up.

[btimbit]

When are the next cuts?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I know preseason means little, but if recent seasons are an indication, a very poor preseason is often a harbinger of a bad season. Success or middling preseasons seem to mean little, but terrible ones can carry over

As far as our division winners go:

The 2011 Canucks went 3-5-0
The 2012 Canucks went 2-5-0
The 2014 Ducks went 3-4-0
The 2015 Ducks went 2-3-1

So winning about 2-3 preseason games is probably a reasonable target.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

...If we're going to criticize the guy for caving in Anderson's face you kind of have to respect him for fighting Smith...

This is not why posters have been criticising Nurse for his fight with Anderson. It has everything to do with his stupid antics after the fight.

[neo45]

Both games were pretty sloppy. We had some nice moments in the home game but started to fall apart. Due to the stream quality I had to keep switching back and forth


Hamilton looked very rusty in the defensive zone but will put up lots of points on the powerplay this year

Nakladal was solid. Could make the team, Hartley trusted him with over 20 minutes which is a good sign for him

Shore played really well even though he was on a line with Bollig and Smith. Interested to see what happens with him

Frolik was really strong. Brodie good as always

Poirer and Raymond had lots of giveaways and did not seem to be clicking with their linemates. Hartley really doesn't trust Poirer yet

The game in Edmonton had a better quality stream but the hockey was worse. Russell was probably the best player. Kylington and Engelland were surprisingly ok together. Backlund only got 10 minutes of icetime for some reason. I thought McDavid actually played pretty well

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I know preseason means little, but if recent seasons are an indication, a very poor preseason is often a harbinger of a bad season. Success or middling preseasons seem to mean little, but terrible ones can carry over

Haven't the Oilers typically had a preseason winning % > .500 for the last few seasons? Didn't work out to well for them in the regular season.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Haven't the Oilers typically had a preseason winning % > .500 for the last few seasons? Didn't work out to well for them in the regular season.

Yes. Which goes along with what I said

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Haven't the Oilers typically had a preseason winning % > .500 for the last few seasons? Didn't work out to well for them in the regular season.

Uh, that's basically just what he said—pre-season success means little.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I know preseason means little, but if recent seasons are an indication, a very poor preseason is often a harbinger of a bad season. Success or middling preseasons seem to mean little, but terrible ones can carry over

A little early to be worrying about this

[GoJetsGo]

The hype for Nurse by Flames fans is getting to be a bit much.

Yes, he looks good. Big, physical and smooth skating.

But he's a defensman, and has looked very average to poor in his own end on my viewings so far. That doesn't mean anything long term, but as a defender he has a long way to go with his game before he's labeled a sure fire "great player for them".

Very difficult to make projections like that with defenders because of how huge a part of the game playing defensively is. And we all know in that setting (Edmonton) it's going to be an even more difficult assignment.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by edslunch

A little early to be worrying about this

Who's worrying?