How not to start NHL training camp (Josh Ho-Sang)

[badger89]

I sat near Treliving and the Flames scouts yesterday and they were talking about Ho Sang. They had a good chuckle. It didn't sound like any of them have a high opinion of the kid. Treliving's comment was that he'd have been more surprised if Ho Sang had actually made practice on time.

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[Heavy Jack]

That guy is going to have to change his tune pretty quickly if he ever hopes to make the big league. I mean he talks about dreaming to help kids with the scads of money he plans to make because they have to worry about eating first before thinking about playing hockey, how he never really had it hard, he received everything he needed to build his skills. He needs to show that you have to work hard no matter what to achieve your dreams and then magically he'll be able to do what he says he hopes to do with all that money. Guys like Josh astound me, its right there in front of you, you can take it, you just have to show up and compete for the team. Cough baertschi cough

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Any remotely intelligent person does this if something is really important. Or even somewhat moderately important.

Since your phone can set multiple alarms I always use 2 on regular work days and I'll even do 3 if I'm really concerned. Even with 2 I have slept in a couple times and not even realized it though. One of them was actually my first orientation day at a new job but thankfully I had set my alarm so far in advance I litterally got ready in 5-10 minutes and raced there just on time.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by polak

Then that is super harsh. #### happens.

I don't know the details but it kind of sounded like he missed the entire on ice portion or at least a considerable amount. Its one thing to be a few minutes late but sounds like he was significantly late. Combined that with everything else we know about his situation and maybe they just wanted to send a clear message to him in hopes that it might be a wake up call for him. Its a tough decision because a talented kid like him youd like to see getting that experience of camp but at the same time maybe the message is even more critical to his future. I think they made the right call not because I think he needs to be punished but more so because I think he needs an attitude change and I think this is more likely to do that as opposed to letting him get away with it.

[sureLoss]

Sounds like it isn't the first issue he has had with the Islanders:

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday
#Isles GM Garth Snow not mincing words about Josh Ho-Sang, telling Newsday: "Enough with the bull----. It's time to grow up."

[Enoch Root]

All this talk about setting alarms is hilarious. We're not talking about Monday morning at the job site here, we're talking about the first day of the event that every prospect has been waiting their whole life for. It would be more a question of being able to get ANY sleep than it would about waking up on time.

Also, a pro sports team isn't just a job, it's a team where everyone has to be at their best or the team fails. Guys train like mad for years - when someone 'sleeps in' they are disrespecting the effort and commitment of their teammates.

As for the team, if you allow that, you state to the whole team that you accept mediocrity.

Finally, as sureloss' post above suggests, it's very probable that this isn't the first issue for him.

[bob-loblaw]

I don't know about any of the arrangements for training camps, but wouldn't the tryouts be staying together, having team breakfasts, going to the rink, etc.? If so, this is pretty unbelievable. I know there's a track record with him, but I wonder if this stuff is just a side effect of some really serious issues that he might be struggling to deal with.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Out of the billons of people out there? Im sure more than a very few . In one province alone I doubt very few.

I meant "very few" as a relative term. But what's your point? I don't think sleeping in is an acceptable excuse in his case. Allow him to learn from this and hope he does (if you're him, and the Isles).

[Street Pharmacist]

This is the most important practice of the year. It's akin to sleeping in for a job interview. Unacceptable

[Jay Random]

More like sleeping in on the morning you were due to cash in your $1,000,000 winning lottery ticket.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

All this talk about setting alarms is hilarious. We're not talking about Monday morning at the job site here, we're talking about the first day of the event that every prospect has been waiting their whole life for. It would be more a question of being able to get ANY sleep than it would about waking up on time.

Also, a pro sports team isn't just a job, it's a team where everyone has to be at their best or the team fails. Guys train like mad for years - when someone 'sleeps in' they are disrespecting the effort and commitment of their teammates.

As for the team, if you allow that, you state to the whole team that you accept mediocrity.

Finally, as sureloss' post above suggests, it's very probable that this isn't the first issue for him.

Woah man relax. Its like your personally offended by this. Out of all the posts I read in this thread I only saw one person remotely defending him.

[dustygoon]

Guy has oil written all over him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Woah man relax. Its like your personally offended by this. Out of all the posts I read in this thread I only saw one person remotely defending him.

I am not sure why you would think I am not relaxed

Like all the other posts in this thread, I stated an opinion on the topic.

Thanks for caring how I feel though

[hockey.modern]

@StapeNewsday: And before Ho-Sang was dismissed, had to run the stairs at the Coliseum for three hours as punishment. #Isles

@StapeNewsday: Ho-Sang had to be woken up Friday morning at the hotel by team staff while his teammates were already on the ice.

[dash_pinched]

I like the fact that they made him run the stairs and then sent him home.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

@StapeNewsday: And before Ho-Sang was dismissed, had to run the stairs at the Coliseum for three hours as punishment. #Isles

@StapeNewsday: Ho-Sang had to be woken up Friday morning at the hotel by team staff while his teammates were already on the ice.

Lets do some math .

Normally for first day of camp I would say the majority of players are there at least an hour before getting on the ice. Most of those same guys would have awoken at least an hour before that.

So at the very minimum, he didn't just hit snooze a couple times and showup a bit late....he slept at least 2 hours minimum too long for one of the biggest days in his entire life.

Hmmm.

[DownhillGoat]

What I find odd, if he was woken up in his hotel room, do these guys not share a room? I thought that was general team protocol, seems odd that a guy would be on his own over training camp.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

What I find odd, if he was woken up in his hotel room, do these guys not share a room? I thought that was general team protocol, seems odd that a guy would be on his own over training camp.

He likely would have had a roommate, but if he's anything like what past teammates/coaches/GM's have suggested I wouldn't be surprised if a rival training camp attendee looked at him laying there, laughed, and left for practice, haha.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Lets do some math .

Normally for first day of camp I would say the majority of players are there at least an hour before getting on the ice. Most of those same guys would have awoken at least an hour before that.

So at the very minimum, he didn't just hit snooze a couple times and showup a bit late....he slept at least 2 hours minimum too long for one of the biggest days in his entire life.

Hmmm.

The Islanders are probably wishing they never drafted the kid. What a waste of a 1st round pick!

[420since1974]

I read somewhere else today that his roommate tried to wake him but gave up.

The Isles aren't blaming the roommate.