Huberdeau an offer sheet target?

[Yanda]

Id be concerned about being able to retain our own prospects if we tried to bring him in.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Locke

Maybe the internal price is already higher?

Doubt Huberdeau is already asking for over $7.3.

My guess is he is looking for one of those fancy $6 million deals like all those young Oilers have.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Doubt Huberdeau is already asking for over $7.3.

My guess is he is looking for one of those fancy $6 million deals like all those young Oilers have.

I must be missing it today because that seems insane.

[TurdFerguson]

I'd bring him in just to hear Hartley say his name every day. "Uber-do"

[Parallex]

I'd trade a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for Huberdeau if I had the cap space to accomadate it so an offer sheet ought to be a real possibility. I think I'd do it if I were Winnipeg or some other team that had the combination of cap space, high upside prospect pool, and current competativeness (so that the pick comp wouldn't be onerous).

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I hate everything in this thread.

Why can't the rest of the teams leave Florida alone on this one? It's hard enough to build a winning team in South Florida with a self-imposed cap without offer sheets stealing the best young players and biggest ticket draws. I know it sounds like whining, but I really wish the other teams would just let this one be. Florida really needs a player like Huberdeau to stay and develop into a star just so fans have a reason to go to a game beyond the hope for playoffs. It would help maintain some viability for the franchise.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I hate everything in this thread.

Why can't the rest of the teams leave Florida alone on this one? It's hard enough to build a winning team in South Florida with a self-imposed cap without offer sheets stealing the best young players and biggest ticket draws. I know it sounds like whining, but I really wish the other teams would just let this one be. Florida really needs a player like Huberdeau to stay and develop into a star just so fans have a reason to go to a game beyond the hope for playoffs. It would help maintain some viability for the franchise.

I think they need a new GM to make the next step. But in a non-hockey market there is little pressure there to replace someone. Sorta like how Jim Rutherford lasted forever in Carolina before their owner was like "hey wait a minute this guys sucks"

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by saillias

I think they need a new GM to make the next step. But in a non-hockey market there is little pressure there to replace someone. Sorta like how Jim Rutherford lasted forever in Carolina before their owner was like "hey wait a minute this guys sucks"

Not sure I agree with this. Dale Tallon took over in 2010 after an eternity of losing and not getting any better. He quickly started trading away guys like Horton and promptly fired Pete DeBoer. They've been building through the draft, and only last year were they starting to get somewhere with that process. Huberdeau was one of the key guys in the rebuild, along with Barkov and now Bjugstad, and losing him to an offer sheet would cut that rebuild off at the knees.

It would honestly be like someone offer sheeting Sean Monahan. How pissed off would you be?

[Hackey]

Ya I think Tallon has done a pretty good job and the team is finally starting to turn things around. Have a lot of quality young guys down there.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Not sure I agree with this. Dale Tallon took over in 2010 after an eternity of losing and not getting any better. He quickly started trading away guys like Horton and promptly fired Pete DeBoer. They've been building through the draft, and only last year were they starting to get somewhere with that process. Huberdeau was one of the key guys in the rebuild, along with Barkov and now Bjugstad, and losing him to an offer sheet would cut that rebuild off at the knees.

It would honestly be like someone offer sheeting Sean Monahan. How pissed off would you be?

I don't like offer sheets either. If we want him, we should trade for him.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Not sure I agree with this. Dale Tallon took over in 2010 after an eternity of losing and not getting any better. He quickly started trading away guys like Horton and promptly fired Pete DeBoer. They've been building through the draft, and only last year were they starting to get somewhere with that process. Huberdeau was one of the key guys in the rebuild, along with Barkov and now Bjugstad, and losing him to an offer sheet would cut that rebuild off at the knees.

It would honestly be like someone offer sheeting Sean Monahan. How pissed off would you be?

I have no opinion of an offer-sheet one way or the other, but the longer he goes unsigned the more realistic it becomes. Yeah I know Tallon's trades and his tenure there and I think if he was analyzed under a microscope like a Canadian GM he would be gone after the 2014 season. I can't think of a single year in the Panthers existence where they weren't an emerging young team just on the cusp of making the playoffs. Well obviously besides a few one and done years. They've been drafting top 5, top 10 forever.

[spuzzum]

Hockey is a business and people are employed. If someone is willing to give you more money and that's ultimately what you want, go for it.

I'd love to play hockey in Florida. Tropical paradise and make millions where a 3500 Sq ft house costs 150k.

[kyuss275]

offer sheets are a waste of time and should but taken out of the CBA. The only thing i see offer sheets doing is giving posters on NHL sites a chance to talk about something.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

offer sheets are a waste of time and should but taken out of the CBA. The only thing i see offer sheets doing is giving posters on NHL sites a chance to talk about something.

And, you know, getting the Bruins to trade Hamilton to Calgary, because they couldn't sign him and were afraid he was going to get offer-sheeted. I agree, total waste of time, should never have happened.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by saillias

I have no opinion of an offer-sheet one way or the other, but the longer he goes unsigned the more realistic it becomes. Yeah I know Tallon's trades and his tenure there and I think if he was analyzed under a microscope like a Canadian GM he would be gone after the 2014 season. I can't think of a single year in the Panthers existence where they weren't an emerging young team just on the cusp of making the playoffs.

Why would he be gone then? Ownership has only recently had any significant interest in icing a competitive product. Before the Violas, they had someone who only wanted them as an asset on their financial ledger, and treated the team with a certain amount of disdain and neglect. Tallon was in a no-win situation before a couple years ago.

The Violas have committed to giving enough money to make a competitive team (more than just the cap floor amount) and Tallon has had permission to go out and pick up quality players as free agents or in trades (think back to last off-season for an example of him filling the roster with players who could make a difference).

And yes, the Panthers have been building for a while, but they had inept management, development, and drafting prior to Tallon's arrival. Only since he's come on board has there been a clear direction and plan to build a competitive franchise. It's starting to really come together, and not in some "pie-in-the-sky" kind of way.

And one final point. If you're a hockey fan you should be supportive of all teams having a certain run of success. If there are franchises in trouble, it effects the entire league and the health of the game. It's not beyond the realm of possibilities for the Panthers being a good draw the way the Lightning, Kings, or Sharks have become in areas that were previously thought to be hockey graveyards. Want a bigger cap instead of a stagnant or declining one? Want the NHL to have a major television deal in the U.S.? Then hope for teams like the Panthers to have their own cycle of success and build a regular fanbase again.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Locke

I mean, I know hes only 22, but his absolute best has been 54 points.

And people think we overpaid for Frolik...

He reached 54 points as a 21 year old, outscoring the next top scorer on his team by 10 points. He put up 20 more points than his near-rookie center (Barkov) and his other linemate, Boyes, is currently on a PTO because he wasn't good enough to earn a contract out-right. The Panthers powerplay wasn't very good so most of Huberdeau's points were even strength. He didn't get sheltered minutes as you'll recall him going up almost exclusively against the Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler line the last game they played. Yet he still finished +10 on a minus team.

With Jagr he put up over a point-per-game for the last 20 games of the season. Probably more indicative of his abilities when he isn't completely carrying a line with deadspace like Boyes on the other wing.

Frolik really shouldn't be mentioned in the conversation when talking about someone like Huberdeau. Not when the Flames far closer comparables are Monahan and Gaudreau.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I hate everything in this thread.

Why can't the rest of the teams leave Florida alone on this one? It's hard enough to build a winning team in South Florida with a self-imposed cap without offer sheets stealing the best young players and biggest ticket draws. I know it sounds like whining, but I really wish the other teams would just let this one be. Florida really needs a player like Huberdeau to stay and develop into a star just so fans have a reason to go to a game beyond the hope for playoffs. It would help maintain some viability for the franchise.

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[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Serapth

As someone who pays very little attention to minor hockey, what's the draft crop like for the next couple years? I know this year was the mother load, but is next a deep draft, or just a few shining stars?

This draft is not as good as the 2015 class. It's more like the 14' draft give or take.

[Caged Great]

For me, I would trade our 1st + Poirier + Granlund + Smid to the Panthers for Huberdeau.

The Flames get the best player in the deal, the Panthers get 2 guys that have top 6 upside that are ready for the NHL right now, and a 1st round pick. Smid is only included to keep under the cap. You could swap him for Raymond instead if necessary.

[Tinordi]

The economics have changed. The best players are becoming the highest paid. The old economics of paying through the teeth for a past-the prime guy are over. Now teams are paying for guys that are entering their primes. This shouldn't really impact Florida. They just need to reallocate their spending on their youth instead the veterans. Every team is doing this. See Tarasenko vs. Glencross.