Why is it that when it comes to a question of charity, you (and others online) expect private citizens to step up before the government?
When pressing on the government to increase funding for schools, should we be donating money first? When we want a nice new ring road, were you asking how much people had contributed first?
"Pfft, these people who want an interchange at Glenmore and Ogden! I didn't see any of them digging into their pockets."
The relational problems involved with the dignity and safety of the human refugees streaming from a conflict we helped to exacerbate should be met with the charity and compassion of wealthy Westerners.
The relational problems involved with the dignity and safety of the human refugees streaming from a conflict we helped to exacerbate should be met with the charity and compassion of wealthy Westerners.
That's not really answering my question. We contribute to the need for new roads, hospitals, schools etc but as polka mentioned, that is covered through the taxes we pay. What is different about the refugee crisis that means it is not covered by our taxes and should be paid for by private citizens?
I sincerely applaud every citizen who is able to support a refugee family. I wish I were wealthy enough to do it myself, because I believe I would do it. But to suggest that someone must sponsor a refugee first before they can ask the government to do more is just plain silly.
1. We've all seen the images of the drowned child. He want killed by war, he was killed in the migratory process, and he's not alone. We aren't going to resettle every Syrian and African citizen. Doesn't letting some in just encourage more.
2. What happens to these troubled nations once the western nations cherry pick the best people? How can they have stability when their population is composed of a distilled group of extremists.
1. We've all seen the images of the drowned child. He want killed by war, he was killed in the migratory process, and he's not alone. We aren't going to resettle every Syrian and African citizen. Doesn't letting some in just encourage more.
2. What happens to these troubled nations once the western nations cherry pick the best people? How can they have stability when their population is composed of a distilled group of extremists.
That 2nd point is a concern that I have. When all the moderates leave, how do you rebuild a country?
I don't think the refugee system should be for permanent re-settlement. In fact, when Canada let in 5,000 Kosovars, I am pretty sure that most were sent home once the dust settled.
There will be a significant "brain drain" though as the most educated and desirable refugees will be offered permanent residency quickly. In fact, I was reading a story yesterday about how Kuwait, Qatar and UAE have opened their border to what they call "5 star refugees" only, in other words, only the wealthy and educated Syrians and Iraqis can go there.
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So the guy who is blaming Canada for the deaths of his wife and boys is possibly a human smuggler? I hope this story gets as much legs as the BS one that's been front and center in the last few days.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
So the guy who is blaming Canada for the deaths of his wife and boys is possibly a human smuggler? I hope this story gets as much legs as the BS one that's been front and center in the last few days.
What do the people making these accusations have to gain?
Hell if I know what they could gain, but there's no doubt someone out there gains by painting this guy as the bad guy.
Maybe he is the bad guy, I don't know. I know nothing about the human smuggling business, which I imagine is about as much as you know.
Seems a little odd to me that he'd bring his family on this journey if he does this all the time. Pleading with someone (this woman) not to out him as the one responsible doesn't seem particularly believable either.
But like I said, I don't know. I don't buy it. You do. Fair enough.
And what do those people have to gain by painting him as the bad guy?
I don't buy it. Either side. All I know is there is now people coming out saying "hey, I paid this guy 10k to get into Europe and my kids are dead too". So the whole works stinks.
Yeah, it does seem odd to bring your kids with you. I guess he could have left them home alone?
I guess there was a heartbreaking photo that made the rounds through media and created a outpouring of angst against govt, so who really cares what the whole story is.
If it's true that this guy is a human smuggler, after the boohoo story that's been shoved in our faces and made into a national "crisis", I hope he winds up at the bottom of the Mediterranean.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
It's possible that this time he was also trying to smuggle his own family out.
In the end, I don't know what difference it makes. If it wasn't him, then it was someone else. It's just a diversion and the end results are the same no matter what.
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"A previous version of this story said the family of Alan Kurdi had applied for refugee status in Canada. In fact, no formal application for refugee status was made. An application on behalf of Alan's uncle, Mohammed Kurdi, was received by the Department of Citizenship and Immigration Canada but was returned because, the department said, it was incomplete and did not meet the regulatory requirements for proof of refugee status recognition."
"The father of a three-year-old Syrian boy whose body washed up on a Turkish beach has told a German newspaper that he blames Canadian authorities for the tragedy that also killed his wife and another son.
Abdullah Kurdi told Die Welt that he does not understand why Canada rejected his application for asylum, although Citizenship and Immigration Canada received no such application from the man.
"I wanted to move (to Canada) with my family and with my brother who is currently in Germany," Kurdi told Die Welt in a telephone interview. "But they denied us permission and I don't know why."'
Well I know why. A formal application was never made!
What we do know:
From the start, he wasn't feeling Syria. The media knew this from day one. He was already in Turkey, where he had been for two years.
Fin Donnelly, the NDP MP for Port Moody/Coq, claimed that he walked papers for Abdullah Kurdi to the Conservatives, and said they didn't act on them. Except he didn't do that, at all. According to Kurdi's sister here, Donnelly was supposed to be helping her get a different brother here from Germany. So Donnelly lied. He hasn't been held accountable for his statements.
Look, the world is a crappy place, and it's tragic those kids died. They (and other children) don't deserve that, ever. So if it's indeed true that Abdullah was running as a human smuggler to make a few bucks, I hope he is charged with the deaths of his family members, and he can live with that. As it stands right now the whole story from both sides stinks.
But it hasn't stopped the media from turning this into a giant crapstorm blaming the gov't, and turning this into a wedge issue when we as a country are a month away from a Federal election.
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
"The father of a three-year-old Syrian boy whose body washed up on a Turkish beach has told a German newspaper that he blames Canadian authorities for the tragedy that also killed his wife and another son.
Abdullah Kurdi told Die Welt that he does not understand why Canada rejected his application for asylum, although Citizenship and Immigration Canada received no such application from the man.
"I wanted to move (to Canada) with my family and with my brother who is currently in Germany," Kurdi told Die Welt in a telephone interview. "But they denied us permission and I don't know why."'
Well I know why. A formal application was never made!
What we do know:
From the start, he wasn't feeling Syria. The media knew this from day one. He was already in Turkey, where he had been for two years.
Fin Donnelly, the NDP MP for Port Moody/Coq, claimed that he walked papers for Abdullah Kurdi to the Conservatives, and said they didn't act on them. Except he didn't do that, at all. According to Kurdi's sister here, Donnelly was supposed to be helping her get a different brother here from Germany. So Donnelly lied. He hasn't been held accountable for his statements.
Look, the world is a crappy place, and it's tragic those kids died. They (and other children) don't deserve that, ever. So if it's indeed true that Abdullah was running as a human smuggler to make a few bucks, I hope he is charged with the deaths of his family members, and he can live with that. As it stands right now the whole story from both sides stinks.
But it hasn't stopped the media from turning this into a giant crapstorm blaming the gov't, and turning this into a wedge issue when we as a country are a month away from a Federal election.
Wow what a freaking joke that is. Lol, blaming Canada? This isn't a turnstile, we can't be accepting EVERYONE who applies.
That's the thing though, it's now come out that he never made a application to enter Canada as a refugee, those applications made were for other family members and were rejected because they were incomplete. Kurdi says he doesn't know why he was rejected entry into Canada, and it's our fault those kids are dead?
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
That's not really answering my question. We contribute to the need for new roads, hospitals, schools etc but as polka mentioned, that is covered through the taxes we pay. What is different about the refugee crisis that means it is not covered by our taxes and should be paid for by private citizens?
I sincerely applaud every citizen who is able to support a refugee family. I wish I were wealthy enough to do it myself, because I believe I would do it. But to suggest that someone must sponsor a refugee first before they can ask the government to do more is just plain silly.
Settling, and integrating mass amounts of people who come from a completely different culture into the economy, and society, and politics of Canada seems to be a project of immense magnitude as compared to simply building a road.
72% men. 13% women? 51% Syrian. What's with all the guys?
This is purely conjecture on my part.
> Men might want to avoid getting press ganged into fighting for one of the many armed factions. Also, if i am looking to hold territory or terrorize a populace I would target the men.
>If you are looking to get your family out, I assume, it is easier for you to get there, get a job, get a place to live and then "fetch" your family.
72% men. 13% women? 51% Syrian. What's with all the guys?
I think the theory is that they men are better equipped for the long journey if they go solo, and then they can work with the bureaucracy once they are in a safe country to get their families over.
However, looking at a lot of the photos, a lot of the men look very young and some of them are even well dressed. My gut feeling is that a lot of the refugees are young single men.
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