Father kills man who molested his daughter

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe, but they can lie about things a little more sophisticated than cookies, and they do repeat things they've heard. They don't speak all that well either. We are talking about a person who was born in 2004 after all.

If the dead guy did what is alleged then good riddance, but the whole thing is pretty strange and not as cut and dried as some of us are making it out to be.

I'd seriously question whether a two year old has the capacity to lie.

[loob job]

Anyone else think it's odd that this guy is out on bail after stabbing a man repeatedly in the chest????

[V]

Originally Posted by Coolsurfer79

Too many questions left unanswered by this article. For example how exactly did the assailant get access to the child. You don't leave 2 year olds unattented do you?

With someone I trust, sure. We have plenty of situations where our child is with someone else while we're gone.

[nfotiu]

How could you possibly let your 2 year old be alone with this guy:

Police had gone to the neighborhood before, when Edington called to complain that he could see James through a window, police said. "Either he was partly clothed or revealed parts of his anatomy that were inappropriate," MacNamara said.

A 2 year old would probably not be capable of making something like this up. But they are definitely capable of using the wrong words to describe something, and make something sound like something it wasn't. I can't imagine my 2 year old neighbour giving me an accurate, unambiguos description of any series of events. They are doing pretty good to string 2 or 3 words together at that age. My nephew was 4, before anyone really knew what he was talking about.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by loob job

Anyone else think it's odd that this guy is out on bail after stabbing a man repeatedly in the chest????

No. The presumption of innocence until proven guilty maintains for all people the right to liberty so long as there are no mitigating public policy considerations (namely that the accused is a flight risk, likely to commit an offence, or would cause widespread public outrage).

[mykalberta]

If the dude did moleste the guys daughter...58yo dude living with his mom, no dependents - sounds like the classic formula for a scumbag (no offense to anyone at CP who is over 40 and still living with your parents with no dependents - but damn funny ).

Its about time someone did someonthing about the dispicable junk that our society is producing today. Ironic that it was a lawyer who took the law into his own hands. There is no question I would have done the same thing to someone if put into that situation. The lawyer would know the law, the guy would probably get max 5 years in some country club correctional facility, then some counselling then released.

MYK

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by pepper24

You believe in guilty until they prove their innocence?

That is a BS question to ask. As the guy whom you were replying hypothesized that if he actually knew his daughter was molested might do something, as I, would take alot more than some legal bullshat of innocent before proven guilty to stop he or me from curb-stomping the piece of garbage. The fact that he was an officer of the court makes it likely he knew that this piece of garbage might not even see prison time, maybe a mental hospital.

If you have live through a situation, where a molestation, close female relative was raped, etc - you wouldnt be so quick to make comments that have no baring on the situation.

Also, as per the "why was the guy even allowed to be close to the girl" statements. Think about it, you are a young couple with a child, parents are likely hundreds of miles away. Your 58yo neighbour who lives with his mother seems like a trustworthy person (likely very quite and polite, maybe he even shovels your walk in the winter) to babysit for say a weekend out or evening out. Its not difficult at all to see how a situation like this might arise.

MYK

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Coolsurfer79

Too many questions left unanswered by this article. For example how exactly did the assailant get access to the child. You don't leave 2 year olds unattented do you?

You are assuming that it was widely known beforehand that the accused molestor was already a molestor. I've known my uncle my entire life, and just found out this summer that he has raped a woman and been accused of molesting young girls (never been charged or even questioned by police). My dad didn't find out until only a couple of years ago.

It is possible to have trust in somebody and not know about their dark secrets, or desires. If said molestor is guilty of the crime we don't even know if it was his first offense, or one of many.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Buff

You are assuming that it was widely known beforehand that the accused molestor was already a molestor. I've known my uncle my entire life, and just found out this summer that he has raped a woman and been accused of molesting young girls (never been charged or even questioned by police). My dad didn't find out until only a couple of years ago.

It is possible to have trust in somebody and not know about their dark secrets, or desires. If said molestor is guilty of the crime we don't even know if it was his first offense, or one of many.

But the guy had previously called the police complaining that the alleged molestor was exposing himself in his window. Doesn't sound like a guy I'd trust with my daughter.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Also, as a victim of child molestation, I can tell you that you would be amazed at what a child realizes is right and wrong. I didn't read the article but it's likely she knew the perpetrator and trusted him. It's likely the parents trusted him. For those of you who said 'where were her parents and why would they leave her in his care,' do you really think it's that easy to spot a molester?

See thats the thing. Would the father commit such a crime, without making 'sure' his daughter was telling the truth?

Its definitely a sad situation.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

I'd seriously question whether a two year old has the capacity to lie.

I concur. Children don't pass the false-belief test until -- usually -- 4 years old. I suspect that lying about or making up the story in this case would take an even more involved understanding about truthhood and falsity, which would be out of the grasp of a 2 year old.

[nfotiu]

Well, what does everyone think about this guy now:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

I guess maybe going through the courts is a better way to handle things.

It was funny the next day after I read this story, I noticed my neighbour was doing a construction project on his house. I came home from a run, and his 2 year old son came up to me and said "Dad had to go to the Doctor!" Thinking that he might have hurt himself working on the house, I said "Really, did he hurt himself" He said "Yes", and I said "Was it bad?" and he said "Yes". So I went over to ask the boy's sister if he was okay, and she says "yes he went to the store, my brother says funny things sometimes".

[Frank the Tank]

Sounds like maybe the mom was making stuff up. Wow. Pretty wild turn of events.

[OilersBaby]

this story is just unfortunate for everyone involved.....
kids say the darnest things sometimes, especially a 2 year old. i mean if the father hadnt murdered the accused and there had been a trial, the defendants testimony wouldnt have stood up in court because she was 2 years old!

[MarchHare]

I'm absolutely shocked by the number of people in this thread professing their support for a murderer. I'm even more shocked by the number of people who claim they would act the same way in a similar situation.

Shame on all of you.

And before anyone even dares accuse me of supporting a child molester, I think people who sexually abuse children (which, in a tragic turn of events, the murder victim didn't) are among the worst pieces of scum in society...right up there with murderers. Anyone tried and convicted of child molestation deserves to rot in prison for an awfully long time, but they also deserve their day in court and they have the right to a fair trial. Vigilante "justice" is never appropriate.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Regardless of the crime....people cannot take actions into their own hands. If they do......our entire system falls apart. Just like the father has a right to be innocent until guilty....so does the accused. The father cannot be judge, jury and executioner. Anyone who thinks it was ok for the dad to go and kill that guy.....well, I have no words...unbelievable.

If the guy is found guilty then he needs to be locked away for EVER. If these scuzballs commit one act...that should be it, no more chances.

[mykalberta]

Looking at the first post and trying to remember what the link stated, it was believed (still might be) that the guy molested the guys daughter, the guy then subsequently killed him.

If that is the case then if you wanna say I support a murderer then yes, I support vigilante justice in that instance. In retrospect, given the girls age and the fact that the mom may have prodded her for information it throws a wrench into the situation - you would assume the father would have talked to the girl directly.

The fact that the police dont believe the man molested the girl means absolutely NOTHING as it will never be put in legal record (detectives will testify to it but it will never go before a judge). They are likely trying the father for murder 1 and attempting to poison the jury pool as per motive - they have no reason to find that the man was molesting the girl, if they did they would likely definately lose the case.

I will be interested in hearing what they say his motive might be, or are they going to say that the girl/mom lied to the father, with that and his knowledge of the legal system he then decided to take the law into his own hands.

If any place might find him not guilty by reason of insanity or justified its the US south or maybe southern Alberta (anyone who has a general dislike of the criminal courts system and how people like the juice can get off), had this happened in NYC or LA, good luck.

If anyone is a lawyer here (troutman ), can you tell me the reasons that cameras are alowed in the court room - I assume its because its the state v person x and the people of the state have a right to hear the trial - has this ever been challenged on the basis of privacy - I assume it has and what was the reasons for the ruling against? And if you are in a publicized trial, and you are found not guilty can you then sue the state for damages based on credibility (its fair to assume that even if you are found not guilty, people will always think maybe...)

Thanks

MYK

[tjinaz]

The guy was likely highly enraged and may have realized if he was going to do something now was the time. If he acts immediately and rashly his defense is just that... temporary insanity. That and if he is used to jury trials he would see the value. In order to convict they would need a majority of the jury and the prosecution would be hard pressed to find a majority of people that could honestly say that they would not want to kill a man that had just molested their 2 year old. I can almost guarantee any parent in that jury would acquit.

Look at the reaction on this board and you will see the problems the prosecution will have.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...39/ai_96238084

[MarchHare]

The guy was likely highly enraged and may have realized if he was going to do something now was the time. If he acts immediately and rashly his defense is just that... temporary insanity.

Sure he was highly enraged...but that doesn't excuse his actions at all. If a man comes home and finds his wife in bed with another man and then kills them both, he doesn't get away with murder because he "acted rashly". He doesn't get off for "temporary insanity". The situation here is no different. He killed another man, period. He might have thought his actions were justified, and many of you here agree with him, but he didn't allow the justice system to work properly. His actions are inexcusable.

[JohnnyFlame]

I could really care less about all the holier than thou types who say let them have their day in court. If they are guilty and somebody whacks them then good riddance to garbage.

I'd personally like to see justice be a whole, whole lot swifter.

And if the guy needs some cash for his defense I'd be glad to contribute.

We bend over backwards for these pieces of dung way too much!!!