Federal Election Called for Oct 19, 2015

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Jacks

It's not getting much media coverage but after the Cons were mostly blamed for the dead child it turns out that Fin Donnelly wasn't being entirely truthful when he said the family had been rejected and he had brought the file to the minister's attention. In truth he had brought attention to the other brother and that application was rejected for being incomplete.

I'll give credit to Barton for pressing him on the issue even though she was pretty nice about it.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fin-...tion-1.3218648

The reason the CPC is getting killed on that issue is not specifically that child though. It is their misguided insistence that the refugee issue there is caused by ISIS (it is driven by Assad), and their refusal to alter their policy in light of this being a more global issue.

Part of the issue is 'bad luck' where they were making fun of Trudeau wanting to provide aid and support the refugees. They have attack ads on that topic! Now that it's a hot button issue with pictures of dead children on the newspaper though, those ads are adding fuel to the fire.

Originally Posted by c.t.ner

Wow. Just wow.

The only good thing about this ad from a Conservative standpoint is that they have a couple days to pull it and 6 weeks for people to forget about it.

This is a horrible ad.

The CPC will try to change course. I wouldn't doubt that they will be having some discussion behind closed doors on how to right the ship now. For political junkies this could be awesome because desperate times call for desperate measures. These are the kinds of times that give us the Jean Chretien 'face' ad or the Paul Martin 'tanks in our street' ad. I can hardly wait to see the over the top ridiculousness we could be treated to by a rich flailing CPC.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by Slava

The CPC will try to change course. I wouldn't doubt that they will be having some discussion behind closed doors on how to right the ship now. For political junkies this could be awesome because desperate times call for desperate measures. These are the kinds of times that give us the Jean Chretien 'face' ad or the Paul Martin 'tanks in our street' ad. I can hardly wait to see the over the top ridiculousness we could be treated to by a rich flailing CPC.

Well if this is any indication, it's going to be an interesting 6 weeks. I still don't see the Conservatives dropping below 28% in the polls, but if this is the ad they're showing this far out, I may have to revise that train of thought.

[MarchHare]

Calgary Centre getting some national exposure via the Globe & Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle26267840/

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Slava

The reason the CPC is getting killed on that issue is not specifically that child though.

Gotta disagree, this issue wasn't even on most people's radar until that picture surfaced. Donnelly came out with his insinuation that the minister had rejected the family and the media pounced on it. Plenty of people were accusing the government of contributing to the childs death.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Hell, you barely have to leave Victoria proper. Just head out to Langford and Glen Lake areas.

Nanaimo is the biggest trailer park in Canada.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

Nanaimo is the biggest trailer park in Canada.

Solid post meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Will the current laws/policies surrounding foreign applicants for citizenship/residents even allow a large influx of refugees? In a Globe article recently they made it seem very arduous.

[Cube Inmate]

Serious question here that I'll probably Google in a minute: can anyone name a PM who didn't leave his party with a trajectory spiralling downward? Whether defeated in an election or handing things over to an in-party successor, none seems to have the sense to go out on a positive note and leave his party with anything other than a big pile of crap to dig out of. It's it ego? Is it that they live in an echo chamber?

Okay, i googled. Paul Martin; Kim Campbell; John Turner. It looks like the last truly successful passing of the governmental torch was Pearson to Trudeau almost 50 years ago.

Would any of the rest of us know when it was time to go? I'd sure like to think so.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Gotta disagree, this issue wasn't even on most people's radar until that picture surfaced. Donnelly came out with his insinuation that the minister had rejected the family and the media pounced on it. Plenty of people were accusing the government of contributing to the childs death.

I think that might have been in the very early time after though. Let's not forget that the minister appeared on TV before the picture came out and did a brutal job. He was getting hammered for that, and then the picture came out, so it wasn't entirely unfounded. It was widespread after that the family in question was not the one sponsored by the sister in Vancouver, and that fact was widely disseminated. While the Liberals have pressed for more action though, Harper has spoken numerous times about ISIS and has continued telling Canadians about how unsafe the world is.

So maybe at the outset it was taking the blame for the child's death, but the inability to change their position now is costing them. Combine that with an emotionally charged issue and them trying to change the channel to discuss the need to bomb ISIS and that is the real botch here. A lot of Canadians think the government should be doing more, and the CPC is basically battling against that rather than suggesting solutions. Its yet another mishandled issue by their spin doctors.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Slava

A lot of Canadians think the government should be doing more, and the CPC is basically battling against that rather than suggesting solutions.

If you ask most of those people what "doing more" even means they wouldn't have a clue what we are doing now. It's a no win issue with a bunch of inflammatory rhetoric smeared on top. I can at least give Mulcair credit for not piling on before the facts came out, Trudeau not so much.

[robbie111]

As a conservative I have a hard time understanding the election strategy from the PMO's office (If that is who is directing this charade) This recent ad in particular is brutal and does nothing to bring in undecided voters.

Make this election about creating good paying jobs. That's what the average citizen wants to hear. Promote grants to small businesses which create jobs and invest in research and development. For f sakes it's not rocket science.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by robbie111

As a conservative I have a hard time understanding the election strategy from the PMO's office (If that is who is directing this charade) This recent ad in particular is brutal and does nothing to bring in undecided voters.

Make this election about creating good paying jobs. That's what the average citizen wants to hear. Promote grants to small businesses which create jobs and invest in research and development. For f sakes it's not rocket science.

I can confirm it's not the Prime Minister's Office office that runs the re-election campaign.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Serious question here that I'll probably Google in a minute: can anyone name a PM who didn't leave his party with a trajectory spiralling downward? Whether defeated in an election or handing things over to an in-party successor, none seems to have the sense to go out on a positive note and leave his party with anything other than a big pile of crap to dig out of. It's it ego? Is it that they live in an echo chamber?

Okay, i googled. Paul Martin; Kim Campbell; John Turner. It looks like the last truly successful passing of the governmental torch was Pearson to Trudeau almost 50 years ago.

Would any of the rest of us know when it was time to go? I'd sure like to think so.

Unless things go south dramatically the Conservatives are still going to have a good amount of people elected. I wouldn't say Harper has crushed them.

And I also doubt that they would have wanted him to step down before the election anyway.... so its a bit of revisionist history to say he should have stepped down.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Slava

The reason the CPC is getting killed on that issue is not specifically that child though. It is their misguided insistence that the refugee issue there is caused by ISIS (it is driven by Assad), and their refusal to alter their policy in light of this being a more global issue.

Don't under estimate the effect that the Canadian and American air strikes are having on the refugee crisis. As fine and dandy it is to be hitting ISIS militants, it's also one of the things scaring the crap out of the civilians living in those areas and driving them out.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I can confirm it's not the Prime Minister's Office office that runs the re-election campaign.

I'm Steven Harper, and I seductively approve this message?

[2Stonedbirds]

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blo...elf-in-a-tweet

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by robbie111

As a conservative I have a hard time understanding the election strategy from the PMO's office (If that is who is directing this charade) This recent ad in particular is brutal and does nothing to bring in undecided voters.

Make this election about creating good paying jobs. That's what the average citizen wants to hear. Promote grants to small businesses which create jobs and invest in research and development. For f sakes it's not rocket science.

Conservatives don't believe in rocket science.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blo...elf-in-a-tweet

Haha. Awesome. Apologize, fine. And you could say the comments don't reflect the views of the NDP, but to say they don't reflect your own views is pretty silly.

[rubecube]

He may have used some salty language but it's not like what he was saying wasn't true.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by rubecube

He may have used some salty language but it's not like what he was saying wasn't true.

pardon me?

His comments were bigoted and hateful. Change the words "Catholic Church" with "Islam" and he'd be up on a human rights complaint.

He should be out of a job.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by rubecube

He may have used some salty language but it's not like what he was saying wasn't true.

I think the kicker was probably telling the Pope to go f#ck himself.