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Jayems · 08-30-2006, 06:10 PM

Guy apparently molests a 2 year old girl, the father (a lawyer) goes ballistic when he finds out, breaks into the skinners bedroom window and stabs the guy to death.

Understandable if true.

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FAIRFIELD, Connecticut (AP) -- A lawyer climbed through a neighbor's bedroom window and stabbed him to death after being told by a family member that the man had molested his 2-year-old daughter, authorities say.
Barry James, 58, was stabbed in the chest nearly a dozen times Monday. The lawyer, Jonathon Edington, 29, was charged with murder and burglary and was released on $1 million bail Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/30/ne....ap/index.html

Flash Walken · 08-30-2006, 06:23 PM

Wow, what a horrible situation for everyone involved.

I mean, I guess you say 'understandable', but there's a certain amount of malice and preparation involved to do that.

poopy situation.

metallicat · 08-30-2006, 06:26 PM

Here's a case for temporary insanity if I've ever seen one. Maybe the sympathetic juries from the OJ or MJ trials can be brought back for this one.

Nehkara · 08-30-2006, 06:28 PM

I hope this guy is not found guilty. I personally find his reaction understandable and anyone who molests a 2 year old should have bad things happen to them.

Plus, he should be with his daughter.

Flash Walken · 08-30-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

I hope this guy is not found guilty. I personally find his reaction understandable and anyone who molests a 2 year old should have bad things happen to them.

Plus, he should be with his daughter.

I understand this reaction, but what's worse, molestation or murder? They are both bad. Let's not forget that the victim of the murder also has a life history that should not be overshadowed by an alleged sexual molestation, no matter how heinous the alleged crime may be.

CMPunk · 08-30-2006, 06:32 PM

I understand why he did it, but to kill someone without knowing for sure is just stupid. Killing anyone is stupid. How he thought he wouldn't get caught is beyond me. So now instead of being with his daughter, he's going to watch her grow up through a pane of glass all cause he couldn't control himself long enough to get the facts.

CaramonLS · 08-30-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wow, what a horrible situation for everyone involved.

I mean, I guess you say 'understandable', but there's a certain amount of malice and preparation involved to do that.

poopy situation.

Hearing the news, grabbing a knife and running over to the neighboor's house hardly is considered preperation. Then being caught by the cops covered in blood with the knife.

Actually, that is quite possibly the fartherest thing from it.

Nehkara · 08-30-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I understand this reaction, but what's worse, molestation or murder? They are both bad. Let's not forget that the victim of the murder also has a life history that should not be overshadowed by an alleged sexual molestation, no matter how heinous the alleged crime may be.

While I understand your point I must ask, what is the point of locking away a 29-year-old father who protected his daughter until his daughter is also 29?

It's not like he will be a serial killer or is likely to re-offend.

I think he will likely plead temporary insanity and win.

Canada 02 · 08-30-2006, 06:35 PM

If the guy was guilty of molesting the child then I would say it was an appropriate reaction. Unfortunately, this is why you don't take the law into your own hands:

"we have no indication it's true or not true."

Nehkara · 08-30-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CMPunk

I understand why he did it, but to kill someone without knowing for sure is just stupid. Killing anyone is stupid. How he thought he wouldn't get caught is beyond me. So now instead of being with his daughter, he's going to watch her grow up through a pane of glass all cause he couldn't control himself long enough to get the facts.

I don't think there was a lot of "thinking" involved. You hear someone molested your daughter, your vision goes red and you are filled with rage... you go pick up a knife and kill him. That's it.

Flash Walken · 08-30-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Hearing the news, grabbing a knife and running over to the neighboor's house hardly is considered preperation. Then being caught by the cops covered in blood with the knife.

Actually, that is quite possibly the fartherest thing from it.

Hey, I'm not saying that's what happened. We really have no idea what happened or what time-frames are involved. There's no mention in the article.

From the passage that was quoted, depending on how you read into the phrase 'snuck through the bathroom window', it can mean different things.

The point I'm trying to make here is that we don't really know anything other than a man is dead at the hands of a father who's child was allegedly molested by the deceased.

HOZ · 08-30-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayems

Guy apparently molests a 2 year old girl, the father (a lawyer) goes ballistic when he finds out, breaks into the skinners bedroom window and stabs the guy to death.

Understandable if true.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/30/ne....ap/index.html

NOT undertsandable. The man killed the guy because someone told him that he did it.

Would this guy beleive that Pigs fly?

V · 08-30-2006, 06:51 PM

If I knew someone had for sure molested my daughter you can betcha I'd be breaking into the guy's house and killing him in the quickest manner possible. No doubt about it.

Since the guy didn't know, this was kinda stupid of him, but I really wonder what my reaction would've been. I would've made the guy's life a living hell until I knew one way or the other. And then if I found out the allegations were in fact true I would've killed him. If I couldn't find out one way or the other I really don't know what I'd do.

2 years old. Sheesh.

Flash Walken · 08-30-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

While I understand your point I must ask, what is the point of locking away a 29-year-old father who protected his daughter until his daughter is also 29?

It's not like he will be a serial killer or is likely to re-offend.

I think he will likely plead temporary insanity and win.

I think it's an unfortunate event, but in our society we live by a governance of laws. One of those laws is we are forbidden from taking the life of another without explicitly fearing for our own lives. Whether he was protecting his daughter is in as much question right now as whether the allegations against the deceased are true. While I wouldn't classify myself as being even remotely pleased with the current judicial system, one rule of law that I absolutely support is that you simply cannot take the law into your own hands when it comes to the life of another human being. I think that is something almost unanimously accepted in Canada.

While we may all sympathize with the guy for his alleged situation, we as a society should not condone extrajudicial murder, in any of it's forms, regardless of how heart wrenching the motivation.

While it may also be true that he is not likely to re-offend, the current justice system is less about rehabilitation and more about the punishment and restitution for one's crime(s).

Jayems · 08-30-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HOZ

NOT undertsandable. The man killed the guy because someone told him that he did it.

Would this guy beleive that Pigs fly?

You think a 2 year old is capable of conjuring up such a story? Then telling her mother?

Crazy Flamer · 08-30-2006, 06:55 PM

Its easy to sit back from a distance and say the dad shouldn't have muerdered the child molestor, that he should have thought it through more. And perhaps we are even right in thinking so.

But that said, I have a 5 year old son and if anyone ever touched him or molested him, I can't honestly say I wouldn't react the same way.

KevanGuy · 08-30-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayems

You think a 2 year old is capable of conjuring up such a story? Then telling her mother?

Well, who knows how straight forward it is. Maybe the friend that told the dad was the one that molested the girl and was trying to pin it on the other guy. Maybe both the friend and the guy that got killed molested here. Who knows.

Jayems · 08-30-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Well, who knows how straight forward it is. Maybe the friend that told the dad was the one that molested the girl and was trying to pin it on the other guy. Maybe both the friend and the guy that got killed molested here. Who knows.

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"The daughter gave the mother information which was alarming and disturbing. The mom relayed it to her husband. That was the spark,"

I find it difficult that a child of 2 years could come up with something like that.

Its not simple at all, who knows if it is true... pretty messed up situation though.

Azure · 08-30-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayems

I find it difficult that a child of 2 years could come up with something like that.

Its not simple at all, who knows if it is true... pretty messed up situation though.

Yeah.

I doubt the daughter would make up something like that.

Maritime Q-Scout · 08-30-2006, 07:25 PM

I'm just going to toss this idea out there,

the point of putting someone in jail is two-fold is it not? (lawyers and law students correct me on this one)

Either:

a) to reform the criminal into a functioning member of society; or
b) to remove them from society because they are a threat to the social well being

I don't believe the father would really fall into either category. Wouldn't another form of punishment be more fitting? Fine? Community Service? I dunno, just something to debate and talk about really.