Flames at Pride reaction

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Well he does fit the one point of criteria, previously defined in this thread as solely being homophobic.

If there was a biker parade where the men wore g-strings or less and the women were topless I wouldn't be taking my kids to that either.

Daytona bike week?

[FlamesFanInEdmonton]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

Yeah if it was normal there wouldn't be these discussions.

Seems normal enough to me

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If there was a biker parade where the men wore g-strings or less and the women were topless I wouldn't be taking my kids to that either.

Daytona bike week?

Yeah, but apparently if you don't attend or march in the parade, you don't support the movement, and are in all likelihood a homophobe.

[ResAlien]

I'm glad they were in it, support it, and hope they continue to do so every year. I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with this event specifically but not with any other event or cause the team attends and supports. Wheird how that works.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Being gay isn't "normal"?

Think you're confusing normalcy with acceptance.

Yeah re-reading it, it didn't come out the way I intended it

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Yeah, but apparently if you don't attend or march in the parade, you don't support the movement, and are in all likelihood a homophobe.

How desperate are you to play the victim?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Being gay isn't "normal"?

Think you're confusing normalcy with acceptance.

That could be directed at me too, and you'd be right

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

How desperate are you to play the victim?

Super desperate apparently.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

That if you have a problem with the flames marching in the gay pride parade, it is solely because you are a homophobe.

I don't think anyone has said you are homophobic if you oppose the flames marching. People including myself have said it's very likely that you are because we can't think of reasons that you could be against the flames marching in it that aren't homophobic.

So far no reasons have been given that aren't homophobic. I'm still waiting.

We have one reason that one might be against the parade in general but still nothing outside of the stick to hockey to oppose the flames marching in it.

You've taken an odd position in this discussion in saying not everyone that is opposed is homophobic but failing to provide any examples to support your position

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I'm glad they were in it, support it, and hope they continue to do so every year. I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with this event specifically but not with any other event or cause the team attends and supports. Wheird how that works.

10% of their customers are gay so as a business it makes perfect sense...as a fan really it shouldn't matter

I do think people are pretty quick to jump to the whole homophone thing though

beyond the sexual orientation aspect there are lots of things not to like about the pride parade (for me anyway) again it has nothing to do with them being gay.

If I walked down the street naked I would be arrested not given a high five by police officers (there maybe be some pointing and laughing)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanInEdmonton

I'm all for the Flames participating in any community event. Maybe I'm a little old school or something but to be honest I don't understand these parades...admittedly perhaps that's because I'm not gay. For the record, I don't care what someone's sexual orientation is. I'm all for the freedom to be who you want to be in this world as long as it doesn't hurt other people. I guess my thinking is, in holding a parade like this is it not accomplishing the exact opposite of what the parade is for? It's almost like trying to segregate yourself from the rest of the community. To me it says "hey look at us...we're different"...when I think the message should be you're not different at all. There is nothing abnormal about it. Your gay. I'm straight. So what? We are all still people.

The difference is that it's been ok to be straight for pretty much ever but not ok to be gay.

It's not "hey look at us, we're different" it's "hey look at us, we don't have to hide (and neither do you)". It's about celebrating who you are even in a scenario where who you are isn't the most accepted.

Society has come a long way, but it's not yet at a point where you can just give up the push just because some folks have gone from the "ew gross" phase to the "fine but I don't want to see it paraded around" phase.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If I walked down the street naked I would be arrested not given a high five by police officers (there maybe be some pointing and laughing)

If you want to walk down the street scantily clad in the parade, I think you could.

It's not like a gay person can just randomly walk down the street naked either.

Try it! It's fully inclusive

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If I walked down the street naked I would be arrested not given a high five by police officers (there maybe be some pointing and laughing)

Who is naked? I see more slut costumes at Stampede and Halloween than anything.

Besides how much of Pride is even like that anymore? It seems much more bland and boring then fabulous. And besides, all the glamour and craziness was a reaction by Parade walkers from bring spat on, protested, yelled at, have dogs brought to scare them etc. Atleast in Calgary.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by dino7c

10% of their customers are gay so as a business it makes perfect sense...as a fan really it shouldn't matter

I do think people are pretty quick to jump to the whole homophone thing though

beyond the sexual orientation aspect there are lots of things not to like about the pride parade (for me anyway) again it has nothing to do with them being gay.

If I walked down the street naked I would be arrested not given a high five by police officers (there maybe be some pointing and laughing)

What exactly do you think goes on at the Pride Parade? Like, do you think people are walking down the street naked?

It is a well-attended event. It would not be if Mayor Nenshi and Bryan Burke were walking down the street naked.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by dino7c

10% of their customers are gay so as a business it makes perfect sense...as a fan really it shouldn't matter

I do think people are pretty quick to jump to the whole homophone thing though

beyond the sexual orientation aspect there are lots of things not to like about the pride parade (for me anyway) again it has nothing to do with them being gay.

If I walked down the street naked I would be arrested not given a high five by police officers (there maybe be some pointing and laughing)

So I have a question dino, have you ever even been to a pride parade? I've been to a few and haven't seen anyone naked yet. Some topless women for sure, but that's much more of a feminists issue then gay issue.

But in the event you have(I'm pretty sure you haven't) and did see someone naked(I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have), thanks for stereotyping all of us based on that 1 person.

[dino7c]

come on now, I have lived and worked downtown and while I have not specifically been there for the parade I have been in the area during the parade time and have seen some things that would not be acceptable at any other time or any other event..granted this was a few years back maybe they are cleaning things up these days.

If you want to take your family down go for it, its not for me...gay straight or otherwise

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dan02

So I have a question dino, have you ever even been to a pride parade? I've been to a few and haven't seen anyone naked yet. Some topless women for sure, but that's much more of a feminists issue then gay issue.

But in the event you have(I'm pretty sure you haven't) and did see someone naked(I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have), thanks for stereotyping all of us based on that 1 person.

you are making a lot of assumptions about me, one of my best friends is gay and will tell you the exact same thing about the parade, he doesn't bring his own children

Redmile gets HEAVILY criticized for topless women

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Dan02

So I have a question dino, have you ever even been to a pride parade? I've been to a few and haven't seen anyone naked yet. Some topless women for sure, but that's much more of a feminists issue then gay issue.

But in the event you have(I'm pretty sure you haven't) and did see someone naked(I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have), thanks for stereotyping all of us based on that 1 person.

I think in the early days, there was a bit more of a protest aspect and some outrageous things made the news, even if they were the exception. It still gives people the wrong notion. They should just really go and see what is about IMO. It's really worth going just to see the artistic expression of many of the people involved.

And not try and take the cause away from the LGBT community as the event was created to bring their cause into the mainstream, but on a more basic level, Pride is for everyone who was ever afraid to be themselves, be judged, or want to exercise their freedom of expression. In fact, I think as time goes by, society will look back on the rampant homophobia like most people do about pre-civil rights treatment of black people in America; that is with a mindset of; "What the hell were people thinking!?". It won't make Pride celebrations obsolete, but rather more inclusive.

[ranchlandsselling]

Honestly, not even newsworthy to me, like others have mentioned, if they held a cancer event I'd not bother reading as it's not news worthy anymore, just a sports team doing the things that make them great but happen all the time (which is a good thing). I feel the same about this... Cool, can't be bothered to click the link to read the story as I've got other things I need to get done....... Says the guy posting in the thread (need to go get on with day).

I am amazed I opened this thread, managed two pages of reading to see it went sideways as expected. The usual possible troll, but not really sure if it's just someone who has a poor way of expressing themselves or a troll and the usual replies to that poster taking the opportunity to jump all over someone. Way to go! Then jumped to last page to post this, which is in itself a useless reply. Sigh.

I blame it all on this useless weather. Don't really feel like going anywhere. Stupid late October weather.

[gvitaly]

In my opinion, I am glad that the Flames are getting involved in the comunity and that they keep giving back to the city. I simpy think each person can do and support what he/she wants in his/her own time. In addition, it is simply a good PR move for both the players and the team. It is a good way to keep the interest in the Flames going through the off season.

As for pride parades, I am not a big fan. The reason being that we draw attention to an issue that should* be a non issue. I think anyone can love and be with whoever they wish, and they shouldn't be treated differently for it. A parade, in my opinion, shows a community that wishes to distinguish itself from the rest of society. Finally, let me ask you just one question. What kind of a reaction would the community have if I decided to have a straight parade? I think it would try to label me as anti-gay, simply because I wish to celebrate my love for the opposite sex.

*I realise that the key word is should, and it is not always the case.