2015 NFL Season Thread

[SuperMatt18]

4 games was too much but I feel like he deserves a couple games if he truly did destroy "evidence", and that isn't even looking at the aspect of cheating.

It is weird to me that these things can go to legal proceedings, I feel like the CBA should probably have better ground rules set up for dealing with this.

[GirlySports]

woo. hard balls win.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I'm not sure what to take away from this whole sideshow. On one hand it says you can "cheat" and lie about it with no ramifications, yet it also says the commissioner cannot decide punishment for his league? (Dangerous slope to get on imo)

Obvious that the infraction was as minor as it can get but it's still against stated rules.

What a cluster Fata this whole episode is.

Where was there proof that Brady cheated? There were multiple reports that came out, but many of these had been proven false. The big one was Chris Mortenson saying that 11 out of 12 balls were 2.0 PSI below the limit of 12.5. This turned out to be patently false, and Mort finally deleted the tweet last week. Of the balls tested at halftime, three of the four Colts' balls were below the 12.5 level. Some of the Patriots' balls were in the acceptable range, but that varies depending on which gauge was used. Even in the Wells report the gauges were photographed incorrectly to negate differences and bent needles.

You can think Brady might have done something, but nothing was ever shown or proven. It's like how people think Spygate was some rouge maneuver, when in fact what they were doing was legal, but where they were doing it from was illegal. There are reports that no one was able to see the tapes, but they were shown to the media on a loop, and Jay Glazer still has one. Relying on misinformation passed on from the league and/or media doesn't make Brady a cheater.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Where was there proof that Brady cheated? There were multiple reports that came out, but many of these had been proven false. The big one was Chris Mortenson saying that 11 out of 12 balls were 2.0 PSI below the limit of 12.5. This turned out to be patently false, and Mort finally deleted the tweet last week. Of the balls tested at halftime, three of the four Colts' balls were below the 12.5 level. Some of the Patriots' balls were in the acceptable range, but that varies depending on which gauge was used. Even in the Wells report the gauges were photographed incorrectly to negate differences and bent needles.

You can think Brady might have done something, but nothing was ever shown or proven. It's like how people think Spygate was some rouge maneuver, when in fact what they were doing was legal, but where they were doing it from was illegal. There are reports that no one was able to see the tapes, but they were shown to the media on a loop, and Jay Glazer still has one. Relying on misinformation passed on from the league and/or media doesn't make Brady a cheater.

Unfortunately it's likely that now to anyone but the most ardent of Pats supporters Brady's legacy is one of being a cheater. Between this and the organisation he plays for that will be the link that's remembered

[rubecube]

The Washington dumpster fire continues.

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[troutman]

http://www.ibtimes.com/super-bowl-od...-brady-2081743

New England’s Super Bowl 50 odds went from 10/1 to 9/1 at Bovada.lv because of the ruling. Earlier in the offseason, the Patriots’ odds had risen as high as 12/1. Some sports books had given New England 8/1 odds to repeat in 2016.

Below are the complete Super Bowl 50 odds a week away from the start of the 2015 season.

Green Bay Packers +550
Seattle Seahawks +650
Indianapolis Colts +850
Philadelphia Eagles +850
New England Patriots +900
Dallas Cowboys +1400
Denver Broncos +1400

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Unfortunately it's likely that now to anyone but the most ardent of Pats supporters Brady's legacy is one of being a cheater. Between this and the organisation he plays for that will be the link that's remembered

I disagree and I'm not even a Pats fan. Brady will forever be remembered as a 6th round pick who went on to be one of the best QB's we've ever seen.

Brady vs. Manning has defined a whole generation of football fans just like Jim Kelly vs. Dan Marino.

[transplant99]

Why wouldn't Greg Hardy now look at taking his suspension to court?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

I disagree and I'm not even a Pats fan. Brady will forever be remembered as a 6th round pick who went on to be one of the best QB's we've ever seen.

I'm kind of wondering what the next great QB rivalry is going to be. My money is on Luck vs. Mariota, with Bortles nicking in from time to time. Though Bridgewater vs. Rodgers or Bridgewater vs. Wilson have outside shots I suppose.

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The ruling, from what's being said, is not an exoneration of Brady or saying he did nothing wrong. It's simply that the NFL did not provide due process to him. Which will likely be the basis for appeal, that in their minds they did. What this ruling really does is offer a chance for virtually every ruling from the NFL now to be appealed on the same grounds.

+1. The standard for due process just got quite a bit higher and Goodell is now effectively knackered and probably will be (should be) toast after this season, maybe sooner. And the CBA doesn't appear to be worth the paper it's written on. What a #### show.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Man people are sleeping on Denver this year. I love it. Not saying they are going to run roughshod through the AFC, but that defense is lights out.

If Manning is 75% of what he was 2 seasons ago they should cruise into the playoffs, this time with a championship caliber defense.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Firing Goodell accomplishes nothing, the new commish will have the same powers as Goodell. The next CBA negotiations will the chance for the players to get a better deal, but that's why Goodell has the power he does because the players most likely gave it to him for some more money. We'll see next time if they sacrifice money for the commish to have less power.

[Spuds_Buckley]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Man people are sleeping on Denver this year. I love it. Not saying they are going to run roughshod through the AFC, but that defense is lights out.

If Manning is 75% of what he was 2 seasons ago they should cruise into the playoffs, this time with a championship caliber defense.

I think the reason most people are sleeping on Denver is they think Manning is nowhere near 75% of where he was 2 seasons ago. That, and he has to learn a whole new offense under Kubiak.

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Firing Goodell accomplishes nothing, the new commish will have the same powers as Goodell. The next CBA negotiations will the chance for the players to get a better deal, but that's why Goodell has the power he does because the players most likely gave it to him for some more money. We'll see next time if they sacrifice money for the commish to have less power.

Agreed. The problem is that Goodell is now the poster boy for everything that's deemed to be wrong with the CBA disciplinary code and rightfully so given his wildly inconsistent rulings. Only now, individual players (well, certain players) can now supersede the CBA through a judge who may yet get smacked down because he's over reached his judicial authority.

In the next CBA they should make the PA the final arbiter and see how that works out. Failing that, as Transplant alluded, the US Justice Dept will need to establish a court just to handle every NFL / PA dispute.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Unfortunately it's likely that now to anyone but the most ardent of Pats supporters Brady's legacy is one of being a cheater. Between this and the organisation he plays for that will be the link that's remembered

No, I think people will remember his multiply superbowls, multiple QB records and his hot wife over some stupid insignificant allegations that were never proven.

[Simanium]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Man people are sleeping on Denver this year. I love it. Not saying they are going to run roughshod through the AFC, but that defense is lights out.

If Manning is 75% of what he was 2 seasons ago they should cruise into the playoffs, this time with a championship caliber defense.

The Colts seem the be the trendy pick in the AFC, I'm not sure why though. They drafted and signed a bunch of offensive players, but their defense still stinks.

[rubecube]

Matt Barkley is just a god awful quarterback. How the hell was he ever once considered a top prospect?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Spuds_Buckley

I think the reason most people are sleeping on Denver is they think Manning is nowhere near 75% of where he was 2 seasons ago. That, and he has to learn a whole new offense under Kubiak.

I think the AFC as a whole is pretty weak again this year, especially with the Patriots' defense taking a step back. Really I see the league in tiers like this:

Tier 1 (Elite):

Seattle
Green Bay

Tier 2 (Contenders):

Denver
New England
Indy
Philly
Dallas
Baltimore
Pittsburgh

Tier 3 (Playoff bubble):

Arizona
New Orleans
Atlanta
San Diego
Kansas City
Cincinnati
Buffalo
Detroit
Miami

Tier 4 (Average with some good pieces):

San Fran
St. Louis
NYG
NYJ
Houston
Carolina
Chicago
Minnesota

Tier 5 (Improving):

Oakland
Tampa
Tennessee
Jacksonville

Tier 6 (Complete dumpster fire):

Cleveland
Washington

[transplant99]

Go figure...





Todd Archer ESPN Staff Writer


As was the case with Wednesday's Kickoff Luncheon, Cowboys defensive end Greg Hardy has been excused from tonight's game against the Houston Texans for personal reasons. Hardy might not have played tonight anyway with the coaches wanting to give the younger players more work. As was reported earlier today, a source said Hardy will confer again with the NFLPA about whether to seek a further reduction in his suspension through the court system.

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[Dan02]

No suprise here that bradys suspension got overturned. Was a completely unjust suspension in the first place. CBA says tampering with balls is a 25k fine? Screw it let's give him 4 games.