Curtis Glencross on FAN960 @4:25 UPD: Tryout with Avalanche?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by united

It's tough for him now it's common knowledge he has to wear a brace on each of his knees. Teams have health and longevity concerns, not to mention declining speed.

He was such an effective player at a sweetheart discount, but in today's game, which is all about speed, losing a step can throw your whole game off. And especially when you weren't very disciplined in terms of penalty taking when you were quicker. Tough to see, especially knowing he cost himself a chunk of money to stay and try and win with the Flames.

I hadnt heard that, but didnt Robyn Regehr play with braces on both knees for most of his career? And he was a mean SOB, that had to have taken its toll.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by bax

I don't think there were any 5 million dollar predictions? Unless I just missed all of those lol

I was one who thought he would cash in big time. Clearly i'm mistaken.

There were so few left wingers on the market and he was the #2 available after Belesky.

[sureLoss]

Glencross says several teams have offered him a PTO. Also a few teams have told him they might be able to fit him in but need to make a trade first.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/08/28...has-worked-out

It is amazing how hard it has become for him to find a spot.

[FlamesPuck12]

Glencross regrets taking a hometown discount with the Flames

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/818687

"If I could do it again ... as much as I love (Calgary) and call it home and met great people, at the same time, when it's time for you to cash in, you have to take advantage and cash in," he told Eric Francis of the Calgary Sun. "You can't take a pay cut or hometown discount because things change."

[Jbo]

Ughh hate to see that. I used to love score face...but here's an idea Glencross, maybe it was your crappy, floaty play, and (perceived) attitude in your last season as a Flame and capital that led to you not getting a big contract. I mean you were scratched in the playoffs more then a couple times.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Then again we've seen the flip side of that. A guy like Fleury wishes he hadn't taken advantage and cashed in and just stayed "home". Glencross just comes across as a grump.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jbo

Ughh hate to see that. I used to love score face...but here's an idea Glencross, maybe it was your crappy, floaty play, and (perceived) attitude in your last season as a Flame and capital that led to you not getting a big contract. I mean you were scratched in the playoffs more then a couple times.

I didn't take it as laying blame on anyone. He obviously thought that he would have kept up better and would have a higher earning potential than he apparently does. Like he said, things can change and you need to take advantage of it from a business perspective when you have the oppotunity.

I hope he catches on and vindicates himself. Whoever signs him, I think they are going to see a very motivated player this time.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jbo

Ughh hate to see that. I used to love score face...but here's an idea Glencross, maybe it was your crappy, floaty play, and (perceived) attitude in your last season as a Flame and capital that led to you not getting a big contract. I mean you were scratched in the playoffs more then a couple times.

I think he knows that. His comment is about taking a hometown discount with the Flames 4 years ago, which he definitely did.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

Glencross regrets taking a hometown discount with the Flames

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/818687

That's fair. I know some will take it as more whining, but he seems like a very genuine person and likely did look around at our lineup and went "I'm going to take a little less now so we can keep this roster together" then I'll make my money later.

Unfortunately only star players should be taking hometown discounts, you just simply can't rely on anything happening when you're a role player and getting a couple mil a year. In that position you should be taking what you can get, this business will spit you out as soon as it's done with you, taking nothing you've done in the past into account.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Then again we've seen the flip side of that. A guy like Fleury wishes he hadn't taken advantage and cashed in and just stayed "home". Glencross just comes across as a grump.

You really have to weigh the pros and cons, realistically one could make the argument that if not for that home-town discounted contract would Glencross even be where he is now? Its not like teams were battering his door down before, he was a good fit at a good time.

Make no mistake, I think the team got the better end of Glencross' contract, but that doesnt mean that it always goes that way.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Glencross was not drafted, bounced around four teams established himself in Calgary and instead of going to a 5th team he got term and a no trade from the Flames. He probably could have gotten more that summer but when you get term, when you get a no trade.. You give up cash.

Never thought it was as much of a discount as some.

[mikeecho]

Caveat: I'm sure he's a great guy and he clearly does a lot for the community, etc... I appreciate that and respect him for that.

Regarding the on ice version, IMHO at his prime Glencross was a guy with fringe NHL talent that was more than off set by work ethic, effort and physicality. When he replaced those traits with laziness, lack of on ice discipline and a seeming level of entitlement, he doomed himself.

It's also pretty telling that he's a few weeks from the start of training camps and he's dwelling on a contract he signed 4 years ago, as opposed to focusing on the upcoming season and getting his career (which has been on the slide for the last 2 years) back on track.

That contract worked for him when he signed it and his current lack of contract is primarily driven because of his recent play. I've always felt like he was a guy who scored 20+ goals as opposed to a 20+ goal scorer.

[bax]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Caveat: I'm sure he's a great guy and he clearly does a lot for the community, etc... I appreciate that and respect him for that.

Regarding the on ice version, IMHO at his prime Glencross was a guy with fringe NHL talent that was more than off set by work ethic, effort and physicality. When he replaced those traits with laziness, lack of on ice discipline and a seeming level of entitlement, he doomed himself.

It's also pretty telling that he's a few weeks from the start of training camps and he's dwelling on a contract he signed 4 years ago, as opposed to focusing on the upcoming season and getting his career (which has been on the slide for the last 2 years) back on track.

That contract worked for him when he signed it and his current lack of contract is primarily driven because of his recent play. I've always felt like he was a guy who scored 20+ goals as opposed to a 20+ goal scorer.

I don't think he's dwelling on anything. By reading the article it seems pretty clear that he was asked some specific questions.

Regardless I hope he gets a chance to prove himself

[mikeecho]

A significant part of that article was about that contract and the majority of it was in his words. Even if asked about it, he chose to spend a lot of time talking about it and how he wouldn't have signed it, etc...

Had he said that it's in the past, he's looking forward and ready to get things back on track, I'd respect that and think he was in a good place to move his career forward.

I wish him well, but I just don't see it.

[heep223]

I doubt he's dwelling on it, I think he just openly speaks his mind more than most. I'm sure most guys in his situation would feel the same way but just give a canned, boring response.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I got no issue with him talking about taking a discount when he did. Based on the free agency crop that year, he probably did take somewhere between a 6M to 8M discount, without factoring in the NMC at least. Which is significant when the deal he signed was just north of 10M.

Glencross (Age 29):
2009-2010: 15-17-33 (67 Games)
2010-2011: 24-19-43 (79 Games)
Signed: 2.6M/4 years

Fleischmann (Age 27):
2009-2010: 23-28-51 (69 Games)
2010-2011: 12-19-31 (45 Games)
Signed: 4.5M/4 years

Leino (Age 28):
2009-2010: 6-5-11 (55 Games)
2010-2011: 19-34-53 (81 Games)
Signed: 4.5M/6 years

Ryder (Age: 31):
2009-2010: 18-15-33 (82 Games)
2010-2011: 18-23-41 (79 Games)
Signed: 3.5M/2 years

Cole (Age 33):
2009-2010: 11-5-16 (40 Games)
2010-2011: 26-26-52 (82 Games)
Signed: 4.5M/4 years

Ward (Age 31):
2009-2010: 13-31-34 (71 Games)
2010-2011: 10-19-29 (80 Games)
Signed: 3M/4 years

Upshall (Age 28):
2009-2010: 18-14-32 (49 Games)
2010-2011: 22-12-34 (82 Games)
Signed: 3.5M/4 years


Most of the contracts came back to bite the teams in the butt, but it's hard to argue that he didn't leave a significant amount on the table when Leino, a player with exactly one decent regular season (didn't even crack 20 goales) and one good playoffs, was able to get a 27M dollar contract that off-season.

[Strange Brew]

Hard to conclude from one article that Glecross is dwelling on his prior contract. That would imply he's thinking about it all the time which you cant really derive from one discussion.

Whenever a player takes a "hometown discount", I hope, for their sake, they are doing it for the right reason. If it is worth it to you make less $ to play for a certain team or live in a certain city, then that is great. People in the real world make decisions like that all the time. I'd argue its a foolish decision if you do it thinking you are going to make it back in the long run somehow, or based on some implied promise from your employer.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I got no issue with him talking about taking a discount when he did. Based on the free agency crop that year, he probably did take somewhere between a 6M to 8M discount, without factoring in the NMC at least. Which is significant when the deal he signed was just north of 10M.



Glencross (Age 29):

2009-2010: 15-17-33 (67 Games)

2010-2011: 24-19-43 (79 Games)

Signed: 2.6M/4 years



Fleischmann (Age 27):

2009-2010: 23-28-51 (69 Games)

2010-2011: 12-19-31 (45 Games)

Signed: 4.5M/4 years



Leino (Age 28):

2009-2010: 6-5-11 (55 Games)

2010-2011: 19-34-53 (81 Games)

Signed: 4.5M/6 years



Ryder (Age: 31):

2009-2010: 18-15-33 (82 Games)

2010-2011: 18-23-41 (79 Games)

Signed: 3.5M/2 years



Cole (Age 33):

2009-2010: 11-5-16 (40 Games)

2010-2011: 26-26-52 (82 Games)

Signed: 4.5M/4 years



Ward (Age 31):

2009-2010: 13-31-34 (71 Games)

2010-2011: 10-19-29 (80 Games)

Signed: 3M/4 years



Upshall (Age 28):

2009-2010: 18-14-32 (49 Games)

2010-2011: 22-12-34 (82 Games)

Signed: 3.5M/4 years





Most of the contracts came back to bite the teams in the butt, but it's hard to argue that he didn't leave a significant amount on the table when Leino, a player with exactly one decent regular season (didn't even crack 20 goales) and one good playoffs, was able to get a 27M dollar contract that off-season.

Thanks for doing this, interesting.

Though on the flip side you could argue that all those guys have terrible contracts and Glencross' was actually fair.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

Glencross regrets taking a hometown discount with the Flames

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/818687

Instead of dwelling on it and trying to get the lost money back maybe he should have negotiated on his play the last few years. teams are smarter with their cap space nowadays, often injured,32 years old and an average of 28 points the last 3 years don't get you anything near $4m.(rumors of his asking price)

[Flash Walken]

Glencross took less money to stay in Alberta, Calgary specifically.

The NMC and the term both speak to that.

He could have gotten Upshall type money, but he would have had to play in Florida or Phoenix to get it.

Anything after that is buyers remorse or crocodile tears.

Glencross is fortunate he got the opportunity to play with top offensively players in Calgary, his NHL career was over almost before it began.