08-26-2015, 12:18 PM
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#701
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Originally Posted by polak
If there's no charge, I wonder if the police investigate the accuser now.
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Is there actually no charge? Or is it just looking like there won't be a charge.
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08-26-2015, 12:21 PM
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#702
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Is there actually no charge? Or is it just looking like there won't be a charge.
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Well, I said that assuming that the talk of no charges was true.
If charges are laid than everything obviously changes.
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08-26-2015, 12:22 PM
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#703
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
If there's no charge, I wonder if the police investigate the accuser now.
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Just because there's no proof that he did it, doesn't mean the complaint had no merit. In any event, it would be even more difficult to prove a false allegation. If they could prove it (highly unlikely), I am sure they would pursue charges. If there was any proof of false allegations, I imagine it would have surfaced through he course of the Kane investigation.
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08-26-2015, 12:40 PM
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#704
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by DJones
Problem with rape cases. Unless it was a brutal and violent rape there really is no evidence.
Should be seen before a jury that knows all the facts though.
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Only if the police see enough evidence to lay a charge. It seems you're suggesting that any case that has serious allegations should get time in front a jury?
A jury is just regular citizens with anywhere from decent, fairly unbiased judgment to terrible, baised judgment.
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08-26-2015, 12:44 PM
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#705
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
Only if the police see enough evidence to lay a charge. It seems you're suggesting that any case that has serious allegations should get time in front a jury?
A jury is just regular citizens with anywhere from decent, fairly unbiased judgment to terrible, baised judgment.
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Are you suggesting that the 'Jury of your peers' system is anything less than flawless? Heresy! Get him!
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08-26-2015, 12:49 PM
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#706
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[QUOTE=jayswin;5404789]Only if the police see enough evidence to lay a charge. It seems you're suggesting that any case that has serious allegations should get time in front a jury?
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I think the poster may be referring to a grand jury.
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08-26-2015, 12:57 PM
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#707
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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[QUOTE=Strange Brew;5404805]
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Originally Posted by jayswin
Only if the police see enough evidence to lay a charge. It seems you're suggesting that any case that has serious allegations should get time in front a jury?
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I think the poster may be referring to a grand jury.
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Oh okay. I took it as he was saying that this looks really bad so a charge should be laid so that the courts can decide if he's innocent or not. Basically insinuating we skip the police investigation part of the process because he thinks Kane is probably guilty of at least something, if not rape.
I probably took it wrong, though.
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08-26-2015, 11:03 PM
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#708
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As if Kane wasn't one Chicago sports superstar enough to be in this situation, Derrick Rose is now being accused of gang-rape.
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08-26-2015, 11:10 PM
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#709
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
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The woman, identified only as Jane Doe, says she and Rose dated from 2011 to 2013. During that time, Rose allegedly tried to pressure her to masturbate in front of him, allow him to have sex with her friends and engage in group sex with strangers, all of which she says she refused.
Rose's accuser says the two continued to date until August 2013...
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Maybe I'm not understanding something here but why would she date a guy for 2 years when he was pressuring her into doing things she had no interest in?
...but if they did break into her apartment to rape her after they knew she was drugged wow that's very disturbing.
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08-26-2015, 11:12 PM
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#710
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Originally Posted by zamler
Maybe I'm not understanding something here but why would she date a guy for 2 years when he was pressuring her into doing things she had no interest in?
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08-26-2015, 11:14 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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^^ well that's one possibility, but that would mean she had a long term plan to bilk Rose out of large amounts of cash and didn't care if it meant making up an elaborate rape story. I guess I don't want to believe someone would do that.
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08-27-2015, 05:56 AM
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#712
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Originally Posted by zamler
^^ well that's one possibility, but that would mean she had a long term plan to bilk Rose out of large amounts of cash and didn't care if it meant making up an elaborate rape story. I guess I don't want to believe someone would do that.
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There are some pretty malicious people out there in the world. Some are so malicious they even rape other people.
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08-27-2015, 10:33 AM
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#713
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Originally Posted by zamler
^^ well that's one possibility, but that would mean she had a long term plan to bilk Rose out of large amounts of cash and didn't care if it meant making up an elaborate rape story. I guess I don't want to believe someone would do that.
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Apparently she's been trying to move the case forward for 2 years. The first two lawyers she went to wouldn't take the case.
That story is 100 times more fishy than the Patrick Kane one.
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08-27-2015, 10:35 AM
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First Line Centre
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[QUOTE=jayswin;5404818]
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Oh okay. I took it as he was saying that this looks really bad so a charge should be laid so that the courts can decide if he's innocent or not. Basically insinuating we skip the police investigation part of the process because he thinks Kane is probably guilty of at least something, if not rape.
I probably took it wrong, though.
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Grand jury, real jury I don't really care. In such a public case it shouldn't just come down to whether or not a cop/detective thinks the alleged victim is reliable. People do weird #### in these situations.
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08-27-2015, 10:53 AM
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#715
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Originally Posted by zamler
^^ well that's one possibility, but that would mean she had a long term plan to bilk Rose out of large amounts of cash and didn't care if it meant making up an elaborate rape story. I guess I don't want to believe someone would do that.
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It say's they wern't exclusive so who knows the true extent of their relationship. I'd say lieing for money and revenge is the lesser of the two evils compared to drugging someone, breaking into their house and gang raping them though.
Either way she's looking to get paid. It says shes seeking unspecified damages and Rose says its a money grab. By waiting 2 years to say something what kind of case can she really build though other than her word though?
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08-27-2015, 01:35 PM
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#716
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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[QUOTE=DJones;5405942]
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Originally Posted by jayswin
Grand jury, real jury I don't really care. In such a public case it shouldn't just come down to whether or not a cop/detective thinks the alleged victim is reliable. People do weird #### in these situations.
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Wait, so you actually were suggesting that the police investigation step in due process should be skipped? Basically you don't trust police so he should automatically have to face a jury of his peers???! 
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08-31-2015, 12:51 AM
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#717
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A Fiddler Crab
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Location: Chicago
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Looks like the Blackhawks are going to do the right thing:
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According to our sources, Kane will be placed on disciplinary suspension if there is no end result to the investigation when the team reports for physicals on September 15th.
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http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/bla...-patrick-kane/
If he is not charged, or charged and found innocent, I hope he's immediately back on the roster. So long as the investigation is ongoing I think it's the right thing to do to keep him off the ice.
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08-31-2015, 04:55 AM
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#718
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by driveway
Looks like the Blackhawks are going to do the right thing:
http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/bla...-patrick-kane/
If he is not charged, or charged and found innocent, I hope he's immediately back on the roster. So long as the investigation is ongoing I think it's the right thing to do to keep him off the ice. |
He's not really on the criminal side of things but my lawyer said the longer this goes on the worst it looks for Kane. Said investigators probably already have a good case against him but are now looking at every possibility how they could loose, by now they know every guy this girl has slept with and every kink she may be into. Kane better hope she has a little history of rough sex(biting..etc)
Feel bad for her but such is life when a celeb is involved.
As for Chicago, I doubt they had much of a choice.
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08-31-2015, 08:39 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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That article is confusing, so Kane could be charged with something other than rape? Like what? The article talks about a 3rd strike but if he's found innocent then how is that a 3rd strike. Sounds like the team wants to dump Kane because he has the word "rape" associated with him doesn't matter if he did it or not.
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08-31-2015, 08:56 AM
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#720
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Franchise Player
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[QUOTE=DJones;5405942]
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Originally Posted by jayswin
Grand jury, real jury I don't really care. In such a public case it shouldn't just come down to whether or not a cop/detective thinks the alleged victim is reliable. People do weird #### in these situations.
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I don't understand your post. Maybe you don't understand the purpose of a grand jury?
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