Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[metallicat]

Sounds like he's dead. Not sure if I'm happy about that or not. I am against the death penalty but certainly not life in prison. What a waste.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Since he took the predictably easy way out, his punishment should be his name is totally removed from the record forever and is simply "The shooter". ####ing coward doesn't deserve to have his name ever uttered again. The victims should be the only names we ever hear about this.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Won't ever happen, they have a right to bear arms, there's no definition of the type of arms that they can carry.

Plus with all of the conceal and carry stuff, and on top of that the gun shows that people can go in and buy the latest weapons with little in the way of checks.

Canada had it easier because we don't have any rights under the constitution to bear arms or form militias, so the government can do what they want in terms of restricting weapons by changing the law.

But you're not going to get Americans to agree to change a major amendment of the constitution.

Even Trump with all his promises of getting the 14th amendment changed would have a major fight through the supreme court with 100 years of challenges.

As Jim Jefferies says, change the constitution, it's called an AMENDMENT.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Sounds like he's dead. Not sure if I'm happy about that or not. I am against the death penalty but certainly not life in prison. What a waste.

I get what you're saying, but on the other hand, there will be no lengthy trial, no life in prison with millions in costs to keep him alive.

A $3.00 bullet and hopefully some quicker closure for the families of the victim that won't have to live through a long trial and knowing that this dirtbag is alive, getting three meals a day and laughing about what he did.

[metallicat]

And because we shouldn't single out the US all the time, you guys hear about the kid who died near Grand Cache? Shot by another kid as they were playing with a gun. Hmmm, a gun readily available for playing with, and it became a tragedy. Interesting.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

As Jim Jefferies says, change the constitution, it's called an AMENDMENT.

That's nice.

But I doubt that the more well known rights are not easily changed, and will never be changed.

The right to bear arms will probable never be changed or amended because the battle will be over the protection of enshrined rights, and unless you can argue that the right puts the nation into dire straights, it won't be changed.

It would be a fight that would never ever get past the supreme court

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

As Jim Jefferies says, change the constitution, it's called an AMENDMENT.

Do you understand what is required to change the Constitution? 2/3 passage in both houses of Congress and ratification by 3/4 of the State legislatures.

When was the last time any major legislation had that kind of support in the US Congress?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

You never know when the US military is going to turn on the country and start mowing down the population and putting everyone in concentration camps. It's better to have a fully armed population of civilians to fight back. Eventually Obama is going to usher in martial law and force all the dudes to marry each other and convert to Islam. How else are they going to fight back without their "right to bear arms"?

In all seriousness, this is so tragic. My condolences to all those impacted by this.

See you all later for the next update to this thread in 0-2 months.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Do you understand what is required to change the Constitution? 2/3 passage in both houses of Congress and ratification by 3/4 of the State legislatures.

When was the last time any major legislation had that kind of support in the US Congress?

The right to bear arms has killed more Americans and been more dangerous than Isis has.

There's conversations everyday in Congress about Isis. Why not reducing gun violence? If conversations are had, maybe 75% of American politicians can see the common sense side. America of 2015 is not America of 1776, no matter how bad some wish it was.

[CaptainCrunch]

It was interesting I just looked it up, and I'm not a lawyer.

in 1939 the amendment wording was changed to allow the US government to limit the type of firearms, in United States vs Miller the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government and the states could limit any weapon types not having a “reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”

So while you can limit the type of arms, I think any lawyer would be able to argue that a hand gun, or machine gun or whatever is a reasonable relations to preserve. What it would probably limit would be things like long range offensive weapons, so no artillery and nuclear weapons for your militia.

in 2008 the supreme court upheld the second amendment protects the right for the individual citizen to own and carry firearms, and in 2010 they clarified it to ensure that this was not only a protection at the federal level but at the state level as well which closed a loop hole potentially where the State could limit access to fire arms for the individual.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

You never know when the US military is going to turn on the country and start mowing down the population and putting everyone in concentration camps. It's better to have a fully armed population of civilians to fight back. Eventually Obama is going to usher in martial law and force all the dudes to marry each other and convert to Islam. How else are they going to fight back without their "right to bear arms"?

In all seriousness, this is so tragic. My condolences to all those impacted by this.

See you all later for the next update to this thread in 0-2 months.

2 months? I don't think this thread has ever left the first page for longer than a week. I've become as desensitized to shootings down south as I am to suicide bombings in the middle east

[Igottago]

Completely tragic, and completely disheartening to see all the same old BS comments all over the place from the pro-gun types when the gun control topic comes up.

They just don't get it or don't want to. Willful ignorance is all the rage down there.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Do you understand what is required to change the Constitution? 2/3 passage in both houses of Congress and ratification by 3/4 of the State legislatures.

When was the last time any major legislation had that kind of support in the US Congress?

Not worth it then because it would be tough? Just keep those asinine laws then, not worth the struggle to try and save lives?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The right to bear arms has killed more Americans and been more dangerous than Isis has.

There's conversations everyday in Congress about Isis. Why not reducing gun violence? If conversations are had, maybe 75% of American politicians can see the common sense side. America of 2015 is not America of 1776, no matter how bad some wish it was.

You're first argument would be struck down by the supreme court and you would be held in contempt of court for your tone young man and sanctioned heavily.

There's a difference between having a discussion and eroding what the American's see as a fundamental document protecting their rights in a contract with their government.

[metallicat]

I get you can't snap your fingers and change the constitution, but burying your heads in the sand over guns isnt working. Clearly.

[MissTeeks]

Still alive apparently:

WDBJ7 ‏@WDBJ77s7 seconds ago
UPDATE: State police now say man suspected of killing two WDBJ7 employees shot himself, and he is still alive

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/law-enforcement-investigating-incident-at-bridgewater-plaza/34923086?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WDBJ 7 …

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I get you can't snap your fingers and change the constitution, but burying your heads in the sand over guns isnt working. Clearly.

As long as the NRA is lobbying politicians with big money to keep guns available to all--we can rant and rave and complain all we want, we don't have the money to compete.

We can threaten to vote people out, but nothing's going to change until money in politics changes, or there is a deeply dramatic change in public opinion. The NRA spends a lot of money working gun nuts into a frenzy at even the tiniest mention of logical gun control measures.

Again, if a bunch of dead children doesn't affect change, I'm honestly not sure anything will. This country is messed up.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You're first argument would be struck down by the supreme court and you would be held in contempt of court for your tone young man and sanctioned heavily.

There's a difference between having a discussion and eroding what the American's see as a fundamental document protecting their rights in a contract with their government.

It's only a fundamental document when it suits your individual interests. Otherwise it's just an outdated old law.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I get you can't snap your fingers and change the constitution, but burying your heads in the sand over guns isnt working. Clearly.

Well, the murder rate is half what it was in the 90s and pretty much the lowest it has ever been in the US.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

[Bobblehead]

Just to bring forward an article I posted a while ago about the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Interesting article I read about that....

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-...cond-amendment