Federal Election Called for Oct 19, 2015

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I trust you rube.

btw I saw your response to my post earlier and wasn't dodging it, it was a fair rebuttal I was just too lazy to respond because you broke it down too much.

You should have just gone all tangential like 4x4 and attacked the most obscure, throwaway part of the post. (just jokes 4x4)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

There are a lot of very valid reasons to not for Trudeau.

So why would you vote for slick? Answer me this question and be 100% honest. If his last name isn't Trudeau do you believe today he would be the leader of the party on his own merit? I know the answer and so do you and that's the biggest reason not to vote for Trudeau.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So why would you vote for slick? Answer me this question and be 100% honest. If his last name isn't Trudeau do you believe today he would be the leader of the party on his own merit? I know the answer and so do you and that's the biggest reason not to vote for Trudeau.

If questions are dumb.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So why would you vote for slick? Answer me this question and be 100% honest. If his last name isn't Trudeau do you believe today he would be the leader of the party on his own merit? I know the answer and so do you and that's the biggest reason not to vote for Trudeau.

Again, a pretty trivial reason if you ask me. It's not like he's the first and last beneficiary of nepotism.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Unless you're someone who's spent considerable time working in politics, it's a pretty safe bet my level of political engagement from about age 14 on completely dwarfs most people's.

So is working for the NDP a good paying gig?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I agree with you in principle, I only take issue with the bolded. It may just be semantics on my part, but the NEP destroyed a lot of lives here, and caused a lot of terrible years.

I guess you're right in that we did rebound well eventually on a civic level, butwasn't just feel your wording was slightly dismissive of how devastating that program was on a person to person to basis. It caused anything from financial hardship right up to suicide in many cases.

Basically I agree that it was a long time ago and shouldn't be held against any current politicians/parties, but I don't really like that you tried to make it sound like it wasn't a disastrous program for our province.

I guess that's fair. I wasn't trying to be dismissive of the danage it caused, it's just the way some people talk, that they don't get stuff like that happens to people all the time. Like they were the only ones wronged, or other jobs have it so much easier.

Yes it was a very bad policy for our province. I hesitate to call it disasterous, cause it really wasn't. One only has to look at the province and state of O&G here to see it was far from 'disasterous'. It hurt some hard working people and businesses, sure. It was unfair. Of course. It wasn't good policy and it wasn't worth it on either side of the provincial border.

But holy smokes, a lot of these people are the same people who bitch about social programs or that other people might not be pulling their weight. And they don't realize how truly good they've had it. How blessed and lucky they've been. They get one real thing to be mad about in 40 years and it's the end of the world. Situations like that, whether political or not happen in all other industries and jobs, often far more often or worse. O&G has nothing to complain about in my books and anyone who is still complaining about the NEP is completely out of touch.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

So is working for the NDP a good paying gig?

Haha, is this like a running gag now?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Unless you're someone who's spent considerable time working in politics, it's a pretty safe bet my level of political engagement from about age 14 on completely dwarfs most people's.

Did you just 'big deal' everyone?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Did you just 'big deal' everyone?

Whatever you think, champ.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

^This. Mclean's does a real good job highlighting how Harper really messed up the Oil industry in Alberta by pushing the oil agenda so strongly that he painted a gigantic global target on our backs.



He really also doesn't have any clear federal leadership and his partisan policies have created such a huge rift between provincial leaders that half of the pipeline projects are stuck in limbo even without the bad international optics for the pipelines.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/otta...s-worst-enemy/



For a leader who is supposed to advocate the oil industry in Alberta, he has an awful track record of actually accomplishing just that.



Sorry if reposted.

Are there any industries that have clearly benefitted from Harper's reign? Besides advertising.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Unless you're someone who's spent considerable time working in politics, it's a pretty safe bet my level of political engagement from about age 14 on completely dwarfs most people's.

Nm

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Again, a pretty trivial reason if you ask me. It's not like he's the first and last beneficiary of nepotism.

So you have nothing against nepotism and believe that makes a good road for a leader to take? You basically just admitted he's not the best man for the job for Liberal leadership and got it due to nepotism. You know the last example of a leader that was a major beneficiary of nepotism? George W. Bush. How did that turn out? It's not trivial at all as you are just downplaying a valid criticism. I assumed a political genius such as yourself you could to a lot better than skirting around my question.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Are there any industries that have clearly benefitted from Harper's reign? Besides advertising.

Incarceration.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So you have nothing against nepotism and believe that makes a good road for a leader to take? You basically just admitted he's not the best man for the job for Liberal leadership and got it due to nepotism. You know the last example of a leader that was a major beneficiary of nepotism? George W. Bush. How did that turn out? It's not trivial at all as you are just downplaying a valid criticism. I assumed a political genius such as yourself you could to a lot better than skirting around my question.

Name recognition is very important in politics. In the case of Trudeau I believe it was name recognition rather than nepotism exactly that helped his ascent.

He may or may not be the best person for the job, I don't know. But it's rare in politics to actually get the best person for the job. Usually all we can hope for is to get the best of a bad lot. Is Harper the best the Conservatives could muster up? What about Mulclair? My guess is the answer is no on both fronts. All of these leaders are seriously flawed. I believe that this is a platform election rather than a leader election. Although, I suspect if the Conservatives lose it will be because of the disdain for Harper.

[Canuck-Hater]

And like all previous governments, it just gets really stale after a while.

[evman150]

Honestly, I don't get the hate for Mulcair. What is it that people don't like about him? How exactly is he "seriously flawed"? Who would be a better NDP leader? I think he's easily the best possible guy for the job (NDP leader) at this time. He is no Stephane Dion or Alexa McDonough - this is a guy who, in my opinion, has PM written all over him.

Lumping him in with Harper and Trudeau seems dishonest to me.

[edslunch]

A second PMO staffer who didn't read his email about Wright payment...... Sure I totally believe that

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle26071779/

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by evman150

Honestly, I don't get the hate for Mulcair. What is it that people don't like about him? How exactly is he "seriously flawed"? Who would be a better NDP leader? I think he's easily the best possible guy for the job (NDP leader) at this time. He is no Stephane Dion or Alexa McDonough - this is a guy who, in my opinion, has PM written all over him.

Lumping him in with Harper and Trudeau seems dishonest to me.

That would be the worst thing to happen in this countrys history. He has put on a good front since becoming leader but the man is seriously mental.

[peter12]

Given the latest economic events, and the inability of any of the candidates to even devote 25% of their campaign time to addressing them, but instead focusing on daycare, Duffy, and veterans, I am having a hard time believing in any of these dudes.

And yes, Mulcair would destroy this country.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by peter12

And yes, Mulcair would destroy this country.

And how would that be? Please, share with us your Chicken Little jeremiad.