In Goal Magazine Top 50 Prospects

[Enoch Root]

I have never been impressed by Fucale and would lose my mind if we traded Gillies for him straight up. I wouldn't do it if they threw in a 3rd round pick, or even a late 2nd.

[Poe969]

I don't think Fucale is that bad but I don't think he has a future with the Canadians. Before the coil picked up Talbot, I thought for sure they'd go after Fucale in a deal for Yakapov.

[Bingo]

HockeyWriters with their rankings ... McDonald way up the list

http://thehockeywriters.com/hockeys-...lie-prospects/

[Vulcan]

McDonald at 5 and Gillies at 8 is pretty decent and shows they are progressing.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Bingo

HockeyWriters with their rankings ... McDonald way up the list

http://thehockeywriters.com/hockeys-...lie-prospects/

Oooh. I like this list even better. They have the Flames with 2 of the top 8 goaltending prospects. Either way, there is a pretty decent chance that at least 1 of Gillies or McDonald turns out to be a legit high end starter for the long term.

[Bingo]

reading above not sure they made the right call eliminating Ortio.

Under 25 - check
Not NHL established - check

then item 3 about on the roster in the last quarter of the season and not sent back down? not sure on that.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

reading above not sure they made the right call eliminating Ortio.

Under 25 - check
Not NHL established - check

then item 3 about on the roster in the last quarter of the season and not sent back down? not sure on that.

Absolutely no doubt that if the AHL Flames were in the playoffs Ortio would have been sent down to play.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Bingo

reading above not sure they made the right call eliminating Ortio.

Under 25 - check
Not NHL established - check

then item 3 about on the roster in the last quarter of the season and not sent back down? not sure on that.

I can speak to this - Ortio was a 'tweener for us. Though we didn't clearly state (and maybe should have), we used 10 NHL GP as baseline guiding factor on lads that we went back and forth on.

[darthma]

Originally Posted by Bingo

HockeyWriters with their rankings ... McDonald way up the list

http://thehockeywriters.com/hockeys-...lie-prospects/

Chance to jihad the poll at the bottom of that article... just sayin'

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by cral12

I can speak to this - Ortio was a 'tweener for us. Though we didn't clearly state (and maybe should have), we used 10 NHL GP as baseline guiding factor on lads that we went back and forth on.

Any idea where Ortio would have been if he "was" included?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Any idea where Ortio would have been if he "was" included?

Based on his age I would guess that Ortio would not be in the top 25.

Copley at #11 who had a great season in the AHL and Matt O'Connor at #22 who was listed as a "prototypical late bloomer" on a short lease and Kristers Gudlevskis at #24 are 23 year olds ...

Ortio at 24 ... by anyone outside the Flames and CP would have to be considered a good career AHL goalie.

Even Kipper who took his time getting to the NHL was done with the AHL by the time he was 24.

How does ortio stack up with #41 prospect who at age 24 the Rangers picked up for a 6th round pick.

Magnus Hellberg

2nd round, 38th overall in 2011 – 24 years old
38 GP, 2.33 GAA, .913 SV%, 15-10-6 (Milwaukee – AHL)

Ortio Adirondack Flames 37 GP 2.69 0.912 SV% GAA 21-13 -1

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Ortio at 24 ... by anyone outside the Flames and CP would have to be considered a good career AHL goalie.

I hope you're right if the Flames try and shoe horn him into the AHL this fall.

You should look at that list and see how many have NHL experience, NHL wins, a shut out, and a period of dominant play in the show. I think you'd find he may move up a bit.

I'm not saying Ortio is a given or a saviour, but I think a few teams may have taken notice to his resume last year and may have a higher view of him than you do.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I hope you're right if the Flames try and shoe horn him into the AHL this fall.

You should look at that list and see how many have NHL experience, NHL wins, a shut out, and a period of dominant play in the show. I think you'd find he may move up a bit.

I'm not saying Ortio is a given or a saviour, but I think a few teams may have taken notice to his resume last year and may have a higher view of him than you do.

Yeah, one aspect of judging a goalie or to some degree any player, is how they perform in the NHL. Some can have great minor league stats but can't handle the heat or intensity of the big leagues. So far the Canucks Jacob Markstrom would be an example of this and yet they are counting on him to be a good NHL backup.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Even Kipper who took his time getting to the NHL was done with the AHL by the time he was 24.

Kipper certainly wasn't "done with the AHL by the time he was 24". He hadn't even played a full period in the NHL by the time he was 24.

Kipper turned 24 on October 26, 2000. He played his first NHL game on October 24, 2000 (less than 14 minutes of playing time). He didn't play his second until four and a half months later, when he was older than Ortio is today. I don't know exactly how many games he played in the AHL after his 24th birthday, but Kipper played 36 AHL games in 2000-01 and 4 in 2001-02.


Ortio turned 24 just prior to the end of last season, on April 16. After his return from injury, he played 2 games in Adirondack after his birthday. Prior to his 24th birthday, he played in 15 NHL games.

Ortio has 8 wins and a shutout in the NHL. Kipper got his first NHL shutout in his 8th NHL win ... 2 months after his 25th birthday.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I hope you're right if the Flames try and shoe horn him into the AHL this fall.

You should look at that list and see how many have NHL experience, NHL wins, a shut out, and a period of dominant play in the show. I think you'd find he may move up a bit.

I'm not saying Ortio is a given or a saviour, but I think a few teams may have taken notice to his resume last year and may have a higher view of him than you do.

Hard to get around the AHL level save % the Ortio has sported at the NHL level.

Pretty obvious (to me anyway) taht the Flames signing Ramo to a 3.8M contract shows that they have very little confidence in Ortio in the NHL.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hard to get around the AHL level save % the Ortio has sported at the NHL level.

Pretty obvious (to me anyway) taht the Flames signing Ramo to a 3.8M contract shows that they have very little confidence in Ortio in the NHL.

I agree. Signing of Frolik they showed they have no confidence in Poirier etc. Trading for Hamilton showed no confidence in Wotherspoon etc.

Treiliving isn't that hard to figure out. Simple minded man he is.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hard to get around the AHL level save % the Ortio has sported at the NHL level.

Pretty obvious (to me anyway) taht the Flames signing Ramo to a 3.8M contract shows that they have very little confidence in Ortio in the NHL.

I'm sure that's how you feel. Then again, many of your opinions about players range from puzzling to down right bizarre, so this is merely par for the course.

I think you are remiss to overlook Ortio's 0.17 % improvement in hisNHL performance this season. He is still quite young (Pekka Rinne did not become a NHL regular until he was 26), so I am supremely confident that Ramo' s one year deal bears virtually no poor reflection of the Flames' opinion and expectations for Ortio.