[News] CalgaryNEXT Announcement. New arena details emerge.

[saillias]

I'm sure Bud/Molson and friends would send their goons to break the legs of anyone who tried to build such a setup.

[hummdeedoo]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Not sure the idea of a brewery on creosote contaminated lands is such a great idea, even after heavy clean-up.

Other than that, I would totally support the Calgary Flames Heroin Micro Laughing Gas XL Beer Pipeline

I dunno...

Creosote Soaked

Sounds like a good name for their Stout.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

A note of caution to MLS hopefuls, though. MLS frowns on multiple use facilities. They made Houston build a dedicated soccer only stadium (TDECU) for the Dynamo.

Can't frown on it that bad as the Argos moving into BMO field next year.

[indes]

Originally Posted by hummdeedoo

I think the Flames group should have plans to build there own brewery on the site. Make there own high quality craft beer and sell it through a beer pipeline to all the pubs/restaurants in the West Village and of course at all games/events.

Revenue from this will pay for everything - plus a beer pipeline will attract tourists from all over the world especially Germany.

I vote you to be in charge!

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

For $2.5B I would be expecting an NFL-esque stadium. With a retractable roof.

And like marble floors throughout.

Have you checked out the cost of an NFL stadium recently???

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by hummdeedoo

I dunno...

Creosote Soaked

Sounds like a good name for their Stout.

Creosoaked...C'mon bro.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by zyzz

What's with the hockey rink? Is there not a lower bowel and then a bunch of boxes above? Strange looking design

It's more of a skeleton and not an actual "design." I would expect that the arena interior itself will look more like the new buildings in Edmonton and Detroit. The description on the site reads:

Originally Posted by CalgaryNEXT

"In the 90s, major arena design shifted away from simple structures with 20,000 seats into facilities that gave an entirely new experience including suites, restaurants, large lower bowls with new technology.

I think the point of the vague images we have seen so far is to emphasise this point—large lower bowl, with higher level tiers of seating, suites, restaurants, etc.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

Have you checked out the cost of an NFL stadium recently???

Phoenix stadium was $525MM in 2015 dollars. Retractable roof, AND removable grass pitch. Even Cowboys stadium was $1.4 billion in 2015 dollars.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Phoenix stadium was $525MM in 2015 dollars. Retractable roof, AND removable grass pitch. Even Cowboys stadium was $1.4 billion in 2015 dollars.

That's ONE building, not the equivalent of 3.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

That's ONE building, not the equivalent of 3.

There is no doubt in my mind you could build an NFL stadium, a $500MM hockey rink, and combine a field house into the NFL stadium for $2 to 2.5B.

Obviously you aren't going to build an 105,000 capacity stadium in Calgary, but comfortably a 45k seat NFL-esque stadium could be build with that kind of dough.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

That's ONE building, not the equivalent of 3.

What's your point exactly? I think the post was pretty reasonable in that +$2 B should buy the equivalent of a state of the art NFL stadium, even with an arena attached.

[Finger Cookin]

Or one nice fieldhouse with gold plated cushions for the seats!

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by zyzz

What's with the hockey rink? Is there not a lower bowel and then a bunch of boxes above? Strange looking design

As noted before, these are not the final designs.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by hummdeedoo

I think the Flames group should have plans to build there own brewery on the site. Make there own high quality craft beer and sell it through a beer pipeline to all the pubs/restaurants in the West Village and of course at all games/events.

Revenue from this will pay for everything - plus a beer pipeline will attract tourists from all over the world especially Germany.

This is a fantastic idea.

[Quincy Egg]

The fact of the matter is that using public funds to build arenas for billionaires is almost ALWAYS a poor use of money.

Pretty funny to watch the double-think of some "conservatives" on here though. Hopefully this project fall flat on its face not only for this reason, but for the fact that there is very little transparency given.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm no fan of multi-use stadiums, but youre right about soccer/football. Centurylink in Seattle is a great example of how 1 stadium can be used for both.

Skydome, not so much.

Skydome is another baseball hybrid.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

There is no doubt in my mind you could build an NFL stadium, a $500MM hockey rink, and combine a field house into the NFL stadium for $2 to 2.5B.

Obviously you aren't going to build an 105,000 capacity stadium in Calgary, but comfortably a 45k seat NFL-esque stadium could be build with that kind of dough.

And clean up creosote and move roads and everything else that would have to be done anyway with or without this project that people are using to inflate the numbers to $2.5B?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

And clean up creosote and move roads and everything else that would have to be done anyway with or without this project that people are using to inflate the numbers to $2.5B?

Exactly ONE poster threw out this outlandish number. I expect with all the costs included the project will end up costing over $1 B. But $2 B?? No chance.

[RM14]

This picture is a great view of Bow Trail. I really wish money wan't an issue and this thing could be tunneled right under the complex. Then a massive plaza connected to an extended Riverwalk pathway system.

Spoiler!

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Exactly ONE poster threw out this outlandish number. I expect with all the costs included the project will end up costing over $1 B. But $2 B?? No chance.

I think it depends on how big the scope is. If the City wanted to bring the Bow/Crowchild fix into this project (which may make sense if they are doing a realignment of Bow Trail already) that part alone was estimate to cost $1B. With creosote being up to $300 million, and you add riverfront/pathway upgrades, any 14th street work, infrastructure upgrades, pedestrian bridge over the river.... and finally, the stadium/arena...$2B is not unreasonable by any means.

The Flames $1B solution is the cheap option that sacrifices quite a bit. Getting closer to $2B is probably more realistic in what that area needs to be a well designed and properly functioning community.