Countdown Poll - Flames GMs

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Jacks

We almost need a list of each GM's trades, signings and draft picks, it's hard to remember some of the moves that Coates, Button, etc. made after all this time.

Doesn't matter this round because anyone not voting Fletcher is obviously too young to have heard of him, can't imagine any other reason to vote for someone else.

All I can say is save that research for the late rounds.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Fletcher was also one of the first GMs to sign free agents out of US college programs as well as take flyers on some US college players

If I recall correctly:

Otto
Patterson
Suter

Amongst others

He was years ahead of the league on that.

Suter was drafted, as were Nieuwendyk and Hull. Macoun was also a college free agent. He got some real steals just by heavily scouting the NCAA system when most teams weren't (it's also where he got Badger Bob).


It's interesting to look at the breakdown of how he built the Stanley Cup team...

DRAFTED:

• Peplinski (ATL)
• T. Hunter (ATL)
• Vernon
• MacInnis
• Roberts
• Loob
• Fleury
• Hrdina
• Suter
• Nieuwendyk

UNDRAFTED NCAA:

• Patterson
• Otto
• Macoun

TRADE:

• McDonald - Colorado
• McCrimmon - Philadelphia
• Murzyn - Hartford
• MacLellan - Minnesota

TRADE WITH THE BLUES (thanks for the Cup, Ron Caron):

• Wamsley
• Nattress
• Mullen
• M. Hunter
• Gilmour
• Ramage

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jacks

We almost need a list of each GM's trades, signings and draft picks, it's hard to remember some of the moves that Coates, Button, etc. made after all this time.

You can see their trades here: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/GM_list

Draft picks here: http://flames.nhl.com/club/draftstat...d=All&team=CGY

This link has the dates that each GM was on the job: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...neral_managers

• Fletcher handled every draft up to 1990
• Risebrough ran the 1991-1995 drafts
• Coates: 1996-1999
• ? - 2000
• Button: 2001 & 2002
• Sutter: 2003-2010
• Feaster: 2011-2013
• Burke: No drafts
• Treliving: 2014 & 2015

I don't remember all the details of the 2000 draft. From what I remember, as a condition of hiring Button, he was not allowed to participate in the Flames' draft that year, but he was still able to make draft day trades.

[gvitaly]

Trades by general manager
Enjoy!

Edit: What getbak said

[dammage79]

Treliving has made a heck of a first impression. Feaster deserves more votes for the drafting. Fletcher obviously deserves the votes he has been getting but I all about right now. And right now looks amazing. Feaster and Treliving/Burke have definitely pointed this thing in the right direction.

[Jay Random]

While Cliff Fletcher was definitely the Flames' best GM, honourable mention has to go to another name.

The GM who did the most to entertain Calgarians, year after year, who left nothing in reserve, who always went the extra mile to see that Flames fans would have something to cheer about, is of course… Kevin Lowe!

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by getbak

You can see their trades here: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/GM_list

Going through those trades. . . . I hope there are some write in options after round 7, because 8th place will be way too high for Doug Risebrough

[Jacks]

For those too lazy to follow the links. (Fletcher not included since he's winning this round).

Doug Risebrough May 16, 1991 – November 3, 1995

Notable trades
Brian MacLellan for Marc Habscheid
Colin Patterson for futures (nothing?)
Stephane Matteau for Trent Yawney
Doug Gilmour Jamie Macoun Kent Manderville Ric Nattress Rick Wamsley
for Craig Berube Alexander Godynyuk Gary Leeman Michel Petit Jeff Reese
futures (nothing?) for Ken Sabourin
Gary Leeman for Brian Skrudland
Sergei Makarov for 1993 4th round pick
Craig Berube for 5th round pick
Ted Drury Paul Ranheim Gary Suter
for Michael Nylander James Patrick Zarley Zalapski
Mike Vernon for Steve Chiasson
Al MacInnis 1997 4th round pick
for Phil Housley 1996 2nd round 1997 2nd round pick
Robert Svehla Magnus Svensson for 1996 3rd round 1997 4th round pick
Rick Tabaracci for 1995 5th round pick
Frank Musil for 1997 4th round pick

Notable draft picks (200 games played)
1991 Sandy McCarthy
1992 Cory Stillman Robert Svehla Joel Bouchard Jonas Hoglund
1993 Jamie Allison Marty Murray Andreas Karlsson German Titov
1994 Chris Dingman Chris Clark Nils Ekman
1995 Denis Gauthier Clarke Wilm


Al Coates November 3, 1995 – April 11, 2000

Notable trades
Joe Nieuwendyk for Jarome Iginla Corey Millen
Tommy Albelin Cale Hulse Jocelyn Lemieux
for Phil Housley Dan Keczmer
1996 3rd round pick for Dave Gagner
Rick Tabaracci for Aaron Gavey
Robert Reichel for Tyrone Garner Marty McInnis 1997 6th round pick
1998 4th round pick for Rick Tabaracci
Trevor Kidd Gary Roberts for Andrew Cassels JS Giguere
Jonas Hoglund Zarley Zalapski for Val Bure 1998 4th round pick
Rick Tabaracci for 9th round pick
Michael Nylander for Andrei Nazarov
Theoren Fleury Chris Dingman
for Wade Belak Rene Corbet 2000 2nd round pick + futures (Robyn Regehr)
1999 1st round pick 1999 3rd round pick rights to Jan Hlavac
for Marc Savard 1999 1st round pick
2000 3rd round pick for Grant Fuhr
Rocky Thompson for Filip Kuba

Notable draft picks (200 games played)
1996 Derek Morris Steve Begin Toni Lydman Ronald Petrovicky
1997 None
1998 Rico Fata Blair Betts
1999 Oleg Saprykin Craig Anderson


Craig Button June 6, 2000 – April 11, 2003

Notable trades
JS Giguere for 2000 2nd round pick
Dan Cavanaugh 2001 8th round pick for Mike Vernon
Andrei Nazarov 2001 2nd round pick for Jordan Leopold
Cory Stillman for Craig Conroy 2001 7th round pick
Val Bure Jason Weimer for Rob Niedermayer 2001 2nd round pick
Fred Brathwaite Daniel Tkaczuk Sergei Varlamov 2001 9th round pick
for Roman Turek 2001 4th round pick
2004 4th round pick for Dean McAmmond
2002 9th round pick for Jamie McLennan
2003 3rd round pick for rights to Curtis Joseph
Dean McAmmond Derek Morris Jeff Shantz
for Chris Drury Stephane Yelle
Marc Savard for Ruslan Zainullin
2004 3rd round pick for Andrew Ference
Rob Niedermayer for Mike Commodore JF Damphousse
Dean McAmmond for 2003 5th round pick

Notable draft picks (200 games played)
2000 Kurtis Foster Travis Moen
2001 Chuck Kobasew David Moss
2002 Eric Nystrom Matt Lombardi


Darryl Sutter April 11, 2003 – December 28, 2010

Notable trades
Steve Begin Chris Drury for Steven Reinprecht Rhett Warrener
2nd round pick for Mikka Kiprusoff
Jason Morgan 6th round pick for Ville Nieminen
Blair Betts Jamie McLennan Greg Moore
for Chris Simon 2004 7th round pick
2004 2nd round pick for Marcus Nilson
Denis Gauthier Oleg Saprykin for Daymond Langkow
Mike Commodore for 2005 3rd round pick
Dustin Johner Steve Montador for Kristian Huselius
Jordan Leopold 2006 2nd round pick 2007 conditional pick for Alex Tanguay
Jamie Lundmark 2007 4th round pick 2008 2nd round pick for Craig Conroy
Andrew Ference Chuck Kobasew
for Wayne Primeau Brad Stuart 2008 4th round pick (#114-T.J. Brodie)
2008 1st round pick 2009 2nd round pick
for Michael Cammalleri 2008 2nd round pick
Alex Tanguay 2008 5th round pick for 2008 1st round pick 2009 2nd round pick
2010 2nd round pick for Rene Bourque
Lawrence Nycholat Ryan Wilson 2009 2nd round pick for Jordan Leopold
Matthew Lombardi Brandon Prust 2010 1st round pick
for Olli Jokinen 2009 3rd round pick (#67-Josh Birkholz)
2009 3rd round pick rights to Jordan Leopold for rights to Jay Bouwmeester
Jim Vandermeer for Brandon Prust
Wayne Primeau 2011 2nd round (#43-Brandon Saad)
for Anton Stralman Colin Stuart 2012 7th round pick
Anton Stralman for 2010 3rd round pick
Dion Phaneuf Keith Aulie Fredrik Sjostrom
for Niklas Hagman Jamal Mayers Matt Stajan Ian White
Olli Jokinen Brandon Prust for Chris Higgins Ales Kotalik
Brett Sutter Ian White for Anton Babchuk Tom Kostopoulos

Notable draft picks (200 games played)
2003 Dion Phaneuf
2004 Brandon Prust Dustin Boyd Adam Pardy
2005 None
2006 None
(100 games played)
2007 Mikael Backlund Keith Aulie
2008 Lance Bouma TJ Brodie
(50 games played)
2009 Tim Erixon
(Too soon to tell)
2010 Bill Arnold Micheal Ferland


Jay Feaster December 28, 2010 – December 12, 2013

Notable trades
Tim Erixon 2011 5th round pick
for Roman Horak 2011 2nd round pick (#45-Markus Granlund) 2011 2nd round pick (#57-Tyler Wotherspoon)
Ales Kotalik Robyn Regehr 2012 2nd round pick
for Chris Butler Paul Byron
Daymond Langkow for Lee Stempniak
Rene Bourque Patrick Holland 2013 2nd round pick
for Michael Cammalleri Karri Ramo 2012 5th round pick
Jordan Henry 2013 5th round pick for rights to Dennis Wideman
Jarome Iginla for Ken Agostino Ben Hanowski 2013 1st round pick
Jay Bouwmeester for Mark Cundari Reto Berra 2013 1st round pick
Alex Tanguay Cory Sarich for David Jones Shane O`Brien
2014 5th round pick for Kris Russell
2015 4th round pick for Joe Colborne
Roman Horak Laurent Brossoit for Ladislav Smid Olivier Roy

Notable draft picks
2011 Sven Baertschi Markus Granlund Tyler Wotherspoon John Gaudreau Laurent Brossoit
2012 Mark Jankowski Jon Gillies
2013 Sean Monahan Emile Poirier Morgan Klimchuk


Brian Burke December 12, 2013 – April 28, 2014

Notable trades
Greg Nemisz for Kevin Westgarth
Lee Stempniak for 3rd round pick
Reto Berra for 2014 2nd round pick


Brad Treliving April 28, 2014 – Present

Notable trades
2014 3rd round pick for Brandon Bollig
Corban Knight for Drew Shore
Curtis Glencross for 2015 2nd round pick 2015 3rd round pick
Sven Baertschi for 2015 2nd round pick
2015 1st round pick 2015 2nd round pick x2 for Dougie Hamilton

Notable draft picks
Sam Bennett - Everyone else way too soon to tell

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by browna

One thing forgotten is that Fletcher had no salary cap, and unlimited funds for the most part from the Flames owners, and thus the Flames through the mid to late 80's were in the top 5 of salaries.

Absolutely robbed some teams, like St. Louis a couple times, but it was more for budgetary reasons on St. Louis than anything else.

He also had great success with Atlanta as an expansion franchise where his pockets weren't so deep.

My second pick is Darryl with Treliving moving up. Sutter did some great things for this franchise and I look at his last moves as desperate to hang onto his job considering it was make the playoffs or else.

Coates was okay but you definitely knew we were a second class franchise. The others were mostly terrible.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Coates did a better job than he gets credit for, particularly given the economics of the team at the time. I'm not sure I can rank Darryl #2 as a GM due to both his poor draft record (mainly in the 1st round) and his 1 week of madness. I may put Coates there.

edit: nevermind. Clearly some misremembering.

[Steve Bozek]

Risebrough has to be at the very bottom of the pile. Aside from the Gilmour/Macoun trade for 5 players whose combined value didn't match either Gilmour or Macoun, the following stand out as illustrations of incompetence:

Gary Leeman for Brian Skrudland. - on the surface, a great trade of a dog for a character player, but Risebrough then left Skrudland unprotected in the expansion draft, and Skrudland was lost after only playing a few games for the Flames

Sergei Makarov for 1993 4th round pick. Awful.

Ted Drury Paul Ranheim Gary Suter for lesser but serviceable players. The blunder here was that Suter was being traded so the Flames would be able to keep Macinnis, as they didn't have the budget for both top level defensemen. Risebrough then decided they couldn't afford Macinnis,so they ended up losing both.