The New American Politics thread

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

By who? Criminal Hillary Clinton, or limp-wrist liberal Bernie Sanders?

You don't think Hillary becomes president in 2016?

[Puppet Guy]

a deep, dark part of me wants Trump to win the nomination and become president, just so I can watch the ensuing chaos.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

By who? Criminal Hillary Clinton, or limp-wrist liberal Bernie Sanders?

By literally anyone the Dems put against him.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

a deep, dark part of me wants Trump to win the nomination and become president, just so I can watch the ensuing chaos.

Trump: Merkel, you are pissing me off.

Merkel: Excuse me Mr Trump?

Trump:

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Trump's poll numbers have risen even higher after the debate, and the Megyn Kelly controversy:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...t-debate-poll/

No one can stop this man at this point, his power level is only going to grow

Originally Posted by nik-

No one can stop him on his road to getting destroyed in the general election

Yup. All you need to do is read down to the last paragraph of the article about the poll:

“The share of Republican primary voters who say they view Trump favorably increased since the last tracking poll, to 62 percent from 57 percent,” Wilson wrote. “But the number of registered voters who say they see Trump unfavorably remains high — 52 percent of all voters say they see him in a negative light. That makes Trump both the most popular candidate within the Republican field and the least popular candidate Republicans could nominate for next year’s general election.”

bold emphasis mine

It's going to be a hilarious disaster either way. Either he gets all the way to the Republican candidacy and then gets destroyed in the federal election, or he gets far enough that it takes a last ditch effort of the Republican establishment to defeat him, paving the way for him to launch an also hilarious independent campaign that splits the Republican Party and makes this the easiest election ever for the Democrats.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Yup. All you need to do is read down to the last paragraph of the article about the poll:

“The share of Republican primary voters who say they view Trump favorably increased since the last tracking poll, to 62 percent from 57 percent,” Wilson wrote. “But the number of registered voters who say they see Trump unfavorably remains high — 52 percent of all voters say they see him in a negative light. That makes Trump both the most popular candidate within the Republican field and the least popular candidate Republicans could nominate for next year’s general election.”

bold emphasis mine

It's going to be a hilarious disaster either way. Either he gets all the way to the Republican candidacy and then gets destroyed in the federal election, or he gets far enough that it takes a last ditch effort of the Republican establishment to defeat him, paving the way for him to launch an also hilarious independent campaign that splits the Republican Party and makes this the easiest election ever for the Democrats.

News flash: Hillary's unfavorable ratings are just as high!

[nik-]

Well you can hold onto that when Trump is in Goldwater territory if he wins the Republican nomination ... which he won't.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

News flash: Hillary's unfavorable ratings are just as high!

Flash contains no news.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I like how Quincy makes fun of Sanders, yet Trump is the only top Republican candidate who loses a hypothetical with Bernie. So yeah, Trump can't beat Bernie in a general. It's been fun and highly entertaining but anyone who thinks Trump is accepting the nomination next September is out to lunch.

[Displaced Flames fan]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politi...aff/index.html

Looks as if Rick Perry is just about done. I have no idea who told this guy he had a chance.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politi...aff/index.html

Looks as if Rick Perry is just about done. I have no idea who told this guy he had a chance.

The people who gave him millions and millions of dollars.

Sometimes I wonder if this is a case of a region politician getting national exposure to be used on his regional campaign.

I.E. what better platform to run for Governor of Texas on than by being the guy running for President who is FROM Texas.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well at least Rick gave us Ronald Raven before his exit, reminding us that he's one of the stupidest men to ever run for President.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Trump's poll numbers have risen even higher after the debate, and the Megyn Kelly controversy:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...t-debate-poll/

No one can stop this man at this point, his power level is only going to grow

3 hours later....

Businessman Donald Trump continues to lead the Republican field in Iowa, a new Suffolk University Poll finds, but his performance in last week's opening debate has dented his standing among GOP partisans and cost him some ground in the state that will hold the first presidential contest next year.

Indeed, one in five remain undecided in the new Iowa poll. Among those with a preference, Trump leads the field at 17%, followed by Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker at 12% and Rubio at 10%. The survey's margin of error is plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.

The results reflect a dip in support for Trump and Walker, compared to statewide surveys taken over the past month and averaged by RealClearPolitics.com. That could hearten establishment Republicans who speculate that Trump's tendency toward the inflammatory at some point will stem his unexpected rise to the top of the GOP field.

The Suffolk survey has warning signs for Trump. By 2-1, 55%-23%, those surveyed say watching Trump in the debate made them feel less comfortable rather than more comfortable with him as a candidate for president. A 54% majority also reject Trump’s complaints that he was treated unfairly by the Fox News anchors who served as moderators; 41% agree with him.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...bate/31449175/

Donald Trump remains the leader in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, but his support has fallen by a third over the past week-and-a-half. Carly Fiorina is now near the front of the pack.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Trump with 17% support among Likely Republican Primary Voters, down from 26% in late July before the first GOP debate. Senator Marco Rubio and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush are in second place with 10% support each, in a near tie with Fiorina and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker who both earn nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote.

Next with eight percent (8%) come retired neurologist Dr. Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz at seven percent (7%).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._donald_peaked

Looks like this may ending sooner than we hoped.

[SportsJunky]

Trump is the same as Rob Ford up here in some ways. We all rolled our eyes at Ford's popularity in Toronto but he had a lot of supporters. He was a buffoon but people kept saying that he was the only "real" talker and he didn't fit the mold of all the other politicians. This is attractive to many voters up here and even more so in the U.S.

It illustrates how broken government is in the U.S. when a scary dude like Trump is seen as a real option. The high level of distrust with government allows clowns like Trump to capture hearts and minds. Sad.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Trump is the same as Rob Ford up here in some ways. We all rolled our eyes at Ford's popularity in Toronto but he had a lot of supporters. He was a buffoon but people kept saying that he was the only "real" talker and he didn't fit the mold of all the other politicians. This is attractive to many voters up here and even more so in the U.S.

It illustrates how broken government is in the U.S. when a scary dude like Trump is seen as a real option. The high level of distrust with government allows clowns like Trump to capture hearts and minds. Sad.

Is this level of distrust unfounded though?

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Trump is the same as Rob Ford up here in some ways. We all rolled our eyes at Ford's popularity in Toronto but he had a lot of supporters. He was a buffoon but people kept saying that he was the only "real" talker and he didn't fit the mold of all the other politicians. This is attractive to many voters up here and even more so in the U.S.

It illustrates how broken government is in the U.S. when a scary dude like Trump is seen as a real option. The high level of distrust with government allows clowns like Trump to capture hearts and minds. Sad.

It shows how screwed up a disturbingly large portion of the US population is, when racist, bigoted, misogynistic bile is viewed as "refreshing" by a decent number of Republicans.

I work in a small suburban town in PA, with a huge number of baby boomer types that are thrilled to hear someone "telling it how it is." It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so damn sad and scary.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by New Era

Soros gave $33M to multiple per-existing non-profit groups that cover a broad scope of community related non-partisan social interests. These groups existed before Ferguson and were active in the community long before the events in Ferguson went down. I'm not certain what your point is here except to try and create some type of false equivalency?

On the other side of the coin you have the Koch brothers who have already committed $898M to this election cycle, all to Republican interests. They have a further war chest they have told their top candidates they are willing dip into in the event of contingencies. So you think there is an equivalency between Soros giving $33M to multiple community focused non-profits compared to the Koch brothers giving 27 times that amount directly to political campaigns? These two guys will spend almost a billion dollars on this campaign in an effort to directly influence the political mechanism in the United States, and you think that is kosher? The founding fathers are all spinning in their graves.

Insulating and comparing just one of Soros many pet project against the whole of the Koch bros. contributions. Seems legit.

FYI I'm not in agreement with the amount of clout Soros OR the Koch brothers have over federal gov't policy.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Wow, Carly Fiorina got a ton of momentum out of dominating the non-primetime debate, huh?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Insulating and comparing just one of Soros many pet project against the whole of the Koch bros. contributions. Seems legit.

FYI I'm not in agreement with the amount of clout Soros OR the Koch brothers have over federal gov't policy.

I'm going right off of the article you posted. It was that very article that Soros gave a total of $33M to the various charities, with the largest donation being $100K. The Koch brothers routinely give 10-100 times that amount to keep their pet project think tanks like the CATO Institute, American Enterprise Institute, The Heartland Institute, the Manhattan Institute and the Heritage Foundation, or their political action committees like Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks, the American Legislative Exchange Council or Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, which wouldn't exist without their funding. The Koch brothers are in a completely different universe when it comes to funding political matters. And the Koch's don't give to community groups like Soros, they give to political causes. Major difference.

What I do find funny is that George Soros is the boogey man for the conservatives, but he is crushed in spending by the Koch brothers. Then they don't even mention the other conservative financiers out there who pour money into Republicans campaigns, guys like Paul Singer, Robert Mercer, John Ricketts, Sheldon Adelson, Richard Uihlein, and Robert McNair, who all give more each and every year than George Soros. Care to comments on that Mr. M14?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'm going right off of the article you posted. It was that very article that Soros gave a total of $33M to the various charities, with the largest donation being $100K. The Koch brothers routinely give 10-100 times that amount to keep their pet project think tanks like the CATO Institute, American Enterprise Institute, The Heartland Institute, the Manhattan Institute and the Heritage Foundation, or their political action committees like Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks, the American Legislative Exchange Council or Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, which wouldn't exist without their funding. The Koch brothers are in a completely different universe when it comes to funding political matters. And the Koch's don't give to community groups like Soros, they give to political causes. Major difference.

Soros has funded the Democratic party directly, not just community projects alone.

But it's not just in America where Soros funds his political interests. He bankrolled Havel in the Czech Rebublic's 1989 revolution. He's openly admitted to funding the rebels in Ukraine.

In the beginning of 2007 when Obama announced he was running for the presidency, Soros within hours donated the maximum allowable amount directly to Obama. Obama gave 2 billion of Americans tax dollars to fund Brazil's state owned drilling company, Petroleo Brasileiro. At the same time Soros pumped over 800 million into same company.

What I do find funny is that George Soros is the boogey man for the conservatives, but he is crushed in spending by the Koch brothers. Then they don't even mention the other conservative financiers out there who pour money into Republicans campaigns, guys like Paul Singer, Robert Mercer, John Ricketts, Sheldon Adelson, Richard Uihlein, and Robert McNair, who all give more each and every year than George Soros. Care to comments on that Mr. M14?

No, what's funny is that it's impossible for a conversation to exist on american politics without people from the left crying about the Koch brothers. While conveniently forgetting about all the other donors that pump money into the Democratic party to suit their own agendas. I'll reiterate again that I'm not a fan of either political party being infiltrated by elite money.

Thomas and Kathryn Ann, Michael Bloomberg, Fred Eychaner, James and Marilyn Simons... look I can name drop too.

Mr. M14 has a nice ring to it too by the way. I like it, you can continue to call me that if you so desire.