FOX is getting killed because (as with everything in the US) the debate was biased. The questions were so perfectly tailored to specific candidates and their talking points. They easily could have sabotaged any candidate, and tried it with Trump with the bankruptcy and donation questions, but those were his best answers. Then in the 'post-game' Fox News was really hammering Trump afterward and trying to poopoo on his performance, which is not insignificant considering how much they shape the thought of the GOP's base.
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But I wouldn't trade any of our party leaders for the ones in the Republican or Democratic party.That debate verged on embarrassing.
Aside from the religious rhetoric John Kasich was pretty good.
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Aside from the religious rhetoric John Kasich was pretty good.
I think Kasich is really the ticket to winning for the Republicans. Not necessarily as the nominee, but even as a running mate; Ohio's such an important state, he's very popular there, he's got a good mix of viewpoints that should be inclusive both the the right and to moderates. From what I've read, his religiousness is less hypocritical than many. Yet, that's probably the thing that's going to turn off a lot of conservatives and keep him off the ticket. "He used the bible as justification for helping the poor? Boo this godless communist!"
I think I said it in the Trump thread that a Bush/Kasich ticket is the only one I can think of that would seriously have a shot at knocking off Hilary. But hardline conservatives and tea-party supporters would hate that ticket, and want Bush to pick a token tea-party running mate, like Romney and McCain did.
I really hate the god questions. Does any other democratic country have such an obsession on god in their politics?
Just once I want to hear an answer around "I'm running to serve my constituents or country's interest. I don't see how your question is relevant."
I got into a heated argument with my dad once about how there's no separation of church and state in the US. He thought there was just because it's written down that there should be. And then I said:
"Could a presidential candidate ever stand up during a debate and declare that they don't believe in God, and that they aim to serve people from all cultural backgrounds who live in the US, and still win? Or even come close enough to be nominated."
"No."
"Then it's not separate. If believing in the Christian God is a prerequisite for leading the country, then it's actually the opposite."
"Oh. Yeah I guess."
I don't know or care what any of our leadership candidates religious (or lack thereof) affiliations are. Does anyone here actually care?
I got into a heated argument with my dad once about how there's no separation of church and state in the US. He thought there was just because it's written down that there should be. And then I said:
"Could a presidential candidate ever stand up during a debate and declare that they don't believe in God, and that they aim to serve people from all cultural backgrounds who live in the US, and still win? Or even come close enough to be nominated."
"No."
"Then it's not separate. If believing in the Christian God is a prerequisite for leading the country, then it's actually the opposite."
"Oh. Yeah I guess."
I don't know or care what any of our leadership candidates religious (or lack thereof) affiliations are. Does anyone here actually care?
American elections aren't democratic though, they are just showpieces, that's why the results are largely pre-determined, why the candidates all look and sound the same and why the country is gridlocked by a fundamental lack of progress.
I touched on it earlier, but if I were to describe to you the way government and society functions in the US without telling you the name of the country, you'd think I was talking about some backwards african banana republic.
It's all political theatre. The religion question is relevant because policy questions are irrelevant. It's the boiled down reality of the 'great man' approach to history. American voters vote for the individual, not the set of policies he represents.
And even if they did vote for the policies, their votes don't matter.
In the US, the game is rigged.
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It's all political theatre. The religion question is relevant because policy questions are irrelevant. It's the boiled down reality of the 'great man' approach to history. American voters vote for the individual, not the set of policies he represents.
It's true. While I understand you don't want a shaky, sweaty mess as a leader there is far too much talk about "who looks presidential". Who the hell cares. Who IS presidential should be the question that is asked but it never is.
Man, the democrats don't even have to do anything. The republicans (other than for their base) are destroying themselves as credible to pretty well anybody within earshot. No wonder people have little faith in government.
Besides the fact none of them support the Iran deal, and this is how most of them approach terrorism, worries me more than anything. They have this childish view of how to handle the problem. Even Megan Kelly was like wtf to his answer...
Man, the democrats don't even have to do anything. The republicans (other than for their base) are destroying themselves as credible to pretty well anybody within earshot. No wonder people have little faith in government.
And yet virtually half the people will still vote Republican no matter who the candidate is. People might have little faith in government, but unfortunately everyone is very entrenched. Donald Trump, a guy who pretty much everyone hates, could be the nominee and there would probably still be less than a 5% difference between the winner and loser in the popular vote.
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People are saying that Carly Fiorina is almost certainly at least going to jump into the main debate for the next round. She does come across very well.
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Funny enough, the GOP likes to talk about how great their foreign policy is and how tough on terrorism they would be, but the policy that Obama has driven forward his 8 years in office has been so tough it has people scared that the 'machine' he created will be unstoppable without serious oversight.
As for the other candidates, Bernie Sanders is saying all the right things. But he probably doesn't have a chance, so onward with Hillary and 4 years of disaster politics.
Funny enough, the GOP likes to talk about how great their foreign policy is and how tough on terrorism they would be, but the policy that Obama has driven forward his 8 years in office has been so tough it has people scared that the 'machine' he created will be unstoppable without serious oversight.
As for the other candidates, Bernie Sanders is saying all the right things. But he probably doesn't have a chance, so onward with Hillary and 4 years of disaster politics.
Biden entering the race is the only thing that I can think of that will stop a Hillary nomination. Sure he's a gaff machine, but they're all pretty tame compared to the cringe juggernaut the Republican party is right now. He's an excellent debater and with so many democrats wanting any real option other than Clinton he could really surge to the top
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Friday night that Fox News Channel anchor Megyn Kelly "had blood coming out of her eyes" when she aggressively questioned him during Thursday's presidential debate.
"She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions," Trump said in a CNN interview. "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. In my opinion, she was off base."
I watched the debate purely for entertainment. And I had incredibly low expectations for both the candidates and the moderators.
But, for whatever it is worth, a couple of performances exceeded my incredibly low standards:
(1) Megyn Kelly: I've always regarded her as the worst kind of Coulter-esque Uncle Tom conservative opportunist, but She seemed sincere and quite reasonable in her attacks on Trump's mysogynism.
(2) Mark Rubio: I definitely didn't agree with 99% of his positions, but he still came across as a reasonable person. That is high praise relative to his colleagues.
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Even Lindsey Graham (the candidate who had his phone number revealed by Trump) said the moderators were too harsh on Trump.
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This was more of an inquisition than it was a debate,” Graham said on MSNBC's “Morning Joe” on Friday morning. “It was a missed opportunity to talk about things that really mattered.”Graham charged that debate moderators Bret Baier, Chris Wallace and Megyn Kelly were particularly unfair in their questioning of Trump, the outspoken billionaire who is leading many GOP polls.
“At the end of the day, ask the man a question that explains his position and his solutions rather than a ten-minute question that describes him as the biggest ####### on the planet,” Graham quipped.
When I watched it he added "He may be in the top ten but he's not the biggest #######."
Aside from being a misogynist, a racist, a bully and an a-hole, Trump has the thinnest skin of any "celebrity" I've ever seen. But to American conservatives, misogyny, racism, and being a bully are considered strengths. And judging from the enthusiastic live audience that loved every repulsive word spilling over his gums, they admire a-holes most of all. I couldn't care less about Megyn Kelly however, she is just another Faux News echo chamber prop.
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