[News] Patrick Kane being investigated for rape. UPD: DA announces no charges

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

A contender emerges.

Polak, a rebuttal to your title challenger?

WTF does that mean?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm afraid you might be mistaken on how the American system works. The formula is essentially this: flood the system with money, criminal charges disappear, pay out a settlement.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/07/us/texas-affluenza-teen/

The one example that you have cited to support your proposition that Kane can and likely will "settle out of court" with the complainant and therefore criminal charges will be dropped doesn't support your proposition at all. Ethan Couch was sentenced (to an absurdly lenient sentence) in December 2013 for an mva accident caused by his impaired driving that killed four people and critically injured two other people. Couch settled a civil action with the families of one of those critically injured people for $2 million people in May 2014.

[Makarov]

Interesting article from Tim Baffoe (CBS Chicago) re the Kane situation: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/08/...t-your-friend/

[polak]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

WTF does that mean?

I don't get it either...

I think he's saying he's pro-rape.

[Benched]

really hard to step back when it's your team, especially your star/idol. Sometimes it's hard to remember as much as we love the game, it's just a game.


When Bertuzzi came to Calgary, I remember the debates, good player not good, like 'em dont' etc.

This is like that again, but with a higher profile player and a more vicious crime.

It'll be polarized and there will be dumb comments for sure.


The honest truth is that millionaires, especially famous ones, have a different ruleset than the rest of us, and we may never know the truth here. I'm sure there are high priced lawyers already all over this.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

What is "teh SJWS"?

Social Justice Warriors.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Considering Kane's history, I have no doubt in my mind that there is some kind of stipulation in his contract, that would void said contract if Kane were to engage in conduct that go against the principles of the Blackhawks organization.

There is no chance whatsoever the union would tolerate non-standard language like that in a SPC.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Social Justice Warriors.

And to expand on that, those would be the people that have helped "expand" the definition of rape/sexual assault to what it is, rather than the far more narrow view he wants.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

There is no chance whatsoever the union would tolerate non-standard language like that in a SPC.

Originally Posted by CBA

Commissioner Authority to Impose Discipline for Off-Ice Conduct. Whenever
the Commissioner determines that a Player has violated a League Rule applicable to Players
(other than Playing Rules subjecting the Player to potential Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice
Conduct), or has been or is guilty of conduct (whether during or outside the playing season) that
is detrimental to or against the welfare of the League or the game of hockey, he may discipline
such Player in any or all of the following respects:
(a) by expelling or suspending such Player for a definite or indefinite period;
(b) by cancelling any SPC that such Player has with any Member Club; or
(c) by imposing a fine on the Player not exceeding the maximum permissible fine
under Section 18.7(b).

Pretty much right in the CBA giving the Commissioner power to do so.

In addition this is written in the Standard Player Contract Exhibit in the CBA:

The Player further agrees:

to conduct himself on and off the rink according to the highest standards of
honesty, morality, fair play and sportsmanship, and to refrain from conduct detrimental to the
best interest of the Club, the League or professional hockey generally.

[Resolute 14]

I was referring to special language based on Kane's history, not standard language in every SPC.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Jets4Life isn't wrong though, Kane's contract has that stipulation...as does every other player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Jets4Life isn't wrong though, Kane's contract has that stipulation...as does every other player.

It is, and a rape conviction would no doubt be material enough to warrant termination.

BTW, someone said Richards was terminated just for being investigated - I think the actual complaint was that he failed to report it to the club.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Pretty much right in the CBA giving the Commissioner power to do so.

In addition this is written in the Standard Player Contract Exhibit in the CBA:

There's also additional language in the SPC that allows the team to specifically add rules to the contract governing the player's conduct...

The Club may from time to time during the continuance of this SPC establish reasonable rules governing the conduct and conditioning of the Player, and such reasonable rules shall form part of this SPC and the Agreement as fully as if herein written.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Well Kane going to jail won't really help the victim out.

But a several million dollar settlement might help her seek therapy and other such help.

Prison sentences are never about 'helping the victim out'. If Kane is actually a rapist, he needs to go to jail because he's a public menace and doesn't deserve to breathe free air. The justice system in general is not about 'helping the victim'. If it was, rape victims wouldn't need to depend on settlements to afford therapy.

Regardless of the legal outcome, the victim has been violated. The perspectives of message board heroes don't matter - there's a reason a woman goes to the police. Something happened, and the victim was not okay with it happening.

There is no amount of money that will make that better, but when a culture flat-out doesn't give a ####, that's going to be the default solution because it's the only thing unaffected people can wrap their minds around.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Interesting article from Tim Baffoe (CBS Chicago) re the Kane situation: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/08/...t-your-friend/

Pretty much has already written him off as guilty. Even if he's found not guilty he will be thought of as guilty by that guy. Scum bag

"Even under the guise of “innocent until proven guilty.”"

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by DJones

Pretty much has already written him off as guilty. Even if he's found not guilty he will be thought of as guilty by that guy. Scum bag

"Even under the guise of “innocent until proven guilty.”"

Finish reading articles.

"It’s entirely possible no wrongdoing on Kane’s part went on, but innocent until proven guilty applies to this particular celebrity avoiding jail time. It does not exonerate him from what he and his accuser know happened between them. It does not help his frat boy reputation, which isn’t illegal but damn sure isn’t palatable once is crosses the line between drunk video cult hero and this kind of accusation."

"Choose to be conscious that how this affects your hockey watching isn’t the important thing right now. Know that rape jokes aren’t funny. Know that making light of Kane’s party reputation is no longer cool. Talk to your confused kids at this crucial moment where they could become counterproductive rape culturists if you allow them.


Otherwise you’re a disillusioned, inhumane hypocrite superfan—you’re the worst of us. And you’re choosing not only laziness, fear, and willful ignorance but also to fight a troublingly quixotic cause, afraid to consider the possibility that a guy who isn’t your friend also isn’t a hero."

[Huntingwhale]

Rehabilitate and give him a second chance.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Rehabilitate and give him a second chance.

No, if he's convicted I hope he never plays another game in the NHL. I don't care how good he is, nothing excuses that kind of behavior.

Of course, this is only if he is guilty. He very well could be innocent, in which case I hope the person accusing him rots in prison. Falsely accusing someone of rape is despicable.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Finish reading articles.

"It’s entirely possible no wrongdoing on Kane’s part went on, but innocent until proven guilty applies to this particular celebrity avoiding jail time. It does not exonerate him from what he and his accuser know happened between them. It does not help his frat boy reputation, which isn’t illegal but damn sure isn’t palatable once is crosses the line between drunk video cult hero and this kind of accusation."

"Choose to be conscious that how this affects your hockey watching isn’t the important thing right now. Know that rape jokes aren’t funny. Know that making light of Kane’s party reputation is no longer cool. Talk to your confused kids at this crucial moment where they could become counterproductive rape culturists if you allow them.


Otherwise you’re a disillusioned, inhumane hypocrite superfan—you’re the worst of us. And you’re choosing not only laziness, fear, and willful ignorance but also to fight a troublingly quixotic cause, afraid to consider the possibility that a guy who isn’t your friend also isn’t a hero."

I did read the whole thing. Even your quote strongly suggests guilt.

With this amount of information it is ridiculous to make the assumptions he's making.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Interesting article from Tim Baffoe (CBS Chicago) re the Kane situation: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/08/...t-your-friend/

Great unbiased article.