[Rumour] Giordano Extension. Kypreos: Starting point is $72 million over 8 years

[bax]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

It would be a real shame to trade Giordano.

But not as big of a shame as it would be to have a 36 year old playing out the tail end of his career as a 4th/5th defenceman, at a $9m cap hit with 4 more years left on his deal.

For a cap ceiling team trying to win the Stanley Cup, a $9m player that's anything short of a superstar is a real problem.

Do you realistically see him holding out until he gets 9 million a season over 5-7 years somewhere?

Because I don't.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Little chance he goes for it, but the 3 year deal is by far the best solution.

Yeah, its a tough decision. The thing is, if players were confident in their abilities to consistently play at the highest level they'd prefer short-term contracts in order to maximize on more recent precedents and cap increases.

However, in the game of professional sports there are ebbs and flows in performance, they are actual humans rather than robots, and seriously, at his age and with his injuries he'll want the security of a long-term contract.

I agree that he can have term, or dollars, but not both. If he gets both then this team is in trouble before we're half-way through.

[Galakanokis]

I do not want Giordano's deal in anyway impacting what the Flames can sign Brodie and Hamilton for. Those guys are the future and are as good as Giordano now. A three year deal would be perfect for the Flames but doubtful that Giordano would except it.

You never know though, sure adds a little something to this up coming season.

[Bingo]

The key is to look at outcomes

Best - Giordano with a shorter term high paid contract
2nd Best - Giordano with a longer term contract at a reasonable rate
3rd Best - Giordano traded for assets
Worst - Giordano signed to a long term high paid contract

[bax]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

I do not want Giordano's deal in anyway impacting what the Flames can sign Brodie and Hamilton for. Those guys are the future and are as good as Giordano now. A three year deal would be perfect for the Flames but doubtful that Giordano would except it.

You never know though, sure adds a little something to this up coming season.

They are the future, yes but they are not as good as Gio was last season. He was arguably the best in the world last year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The key is to look at outcomes

Best - Giordano with a shorter term high paid contract
2nd Best - Giordano with a longer term contract at a reasonable rate
3rd Best - Giordano traded for assets
Worst - Giordano signed to a long term high paid contract

I think tied for worst would be no extension and losing Gio to free agency for nothing

[bax]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

I do not want Giordano's deal in anyway impacting what the Flames can sign Brodie and Hamilton for. Those guys are the future and are as good as Giordano now. A three year deal would be perfect for the Flames but doubtful that Giordano would except it.

You never know though, sure adds a little something to this up coming season.

They are the future, yes but they are not as good as Gio was last season. He was arguably the best in the world last year.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by bax

They are the future, yes but they were not as good as Gio was last season. He was arguably the best in the world last year.

Fixed that for you. Who knows what this season may bring?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Benched

More and more I'm hoping we don't sign Gio immediately and see what the new season holds. If he gets hurt again, or isn't up to last season's amazing performance we may get a discount that will keep him in town on a contract we can all live with.


If he's crushing it again and this makes Gio dig in his heels in contract negotiations....then you shop him. I'd hate to do it, but we can't get all nostalgic and pay a player for past performance. It's forward, ever forward, building.

This is exactly what I don't want to have happen. Once the season starts I envision the Flames being in the race for the Playoffs and I see us thinking no way we trade our captain when we are in a playoff race which leaves us no choice but to sign and gives Gio all the leverage

Only way this works out is if Gio is tearing it up and we aren't in the race. Just can't see it though being completly out of it at or before the trade deadline

[Fire of the Phoenix]

If he's not signed by training camp they need to start shopping him. If he still wants insane money/term by November, you take the best deal and thank Gio for his years of service. Every day that passes after the season starts, the Flames lose leverage and they also run the risk that Gio gets injured. This will be a huge distraction if it lingers all year if not dealt with, hopefully they figure it out sooner rather than later.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Waiting until the end of next season makes no sense for the Flames. They would have absolutely no leverage, as Giordano would be free to walk.

If the team and the Giordano camp can't come to an agreement by the deadline he can get the Glencross treatment and they can move him for a 1st and/or prospects. Flames have all the leverage until the deadline passes. Signing him now is buying high and that's bad business.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If the team and the Giordano camp can't come to an agreement by the deadline he can get the Glencross treatment and they can move him for a 1st and/or prospects. Flames have all the leverage until the deadline passes. Signing him now is buying high and that's bad business.

Problem with this is Gio is our captain and best player...he's not Glencross. We sold Glencross even though we were in a race for the playoffs and didn't miss him. Can't see the Flames being in a playoff race sell Gio at the deadline for picks and prospects. Sorry needs to get done soon or you might as well shop when his value is at an all time high

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

If he's not signed by training camp they need to start shopping him. If he still wants insane money/term by November, you take the best deal and thank Gio for his years of service. Every day that passes after the season starts, the Flames lose leverage and they also run the risk that Gio gets injured. This will be a huge distraction if it lingers all year if not dealt with, hopefully they figure it out sooner rather than later.

If the Flames retained maximum salary ($2M) and traded Gio as a rental to a contender at the deadline? We'd get some killer assets but I believe that as a hockey and organizational move in and of itself it isnt in line with the Flames' currently projected path.

I think they'd be more inclined to hold him like Cammalleri and roll the dice.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Locke

If the Flames retained maximum salary ($2M) and traded Gio as a rental to a contender at the deadline? We'd get some killer assets but I believe that as a hockey and organizational move in and of itself it isnt in line with the Flames' currently projected path.

I think they'd be more inclined to hold him like Cammalleri and roll the dice.

The flames didn't trade Cams because all they could get was a 3rd. This is different. You shouldn't just roll the dice with an asset like Gio

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The flames didn't trade Cams because all they could get was a 3rd. This is different. You shouldn't just roll the dice with an asset like Gio

While true, and dont get me wrong I dont like the idea, but it was a virtual certainty that Cammelleri was leaving, he didnt want to be 'part of a rebuild' HAHA!

That cant be said with Gio. I think he wants to stay and be a part of this, but he also wants, and in some ways needs, to get paid.

The Cammy treatment was also a bit of an anomaly and a Brian Burke power-play where he indicated that we will not accept low-ball offers even if they're the only offers.

[CroFlames]

The more I think about it, I believe there will either be a deal made by training camp, or Gio will be dealt at the deadline.


I prefer one scenario over the other, but both could be good scenarios for the team which is the most important thing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The key is to look at outcomes

Best - Giordano with a shorter term high paid contract
2nd Best - Giordano with a longer term contract at a reasonable rate
3rd Best - Giordano traded for assets
Worst - Giordano signed to a long term high paid contract

Signing him today likely points to the worst case scenario as that's the desired outcome for the player returning from injury coming off a career season. If Gio misses significant time next season as he's prone to do he's going to lose leverage for a long term deal. When you sign players coming off career years you get the Kessell style contracts as they tend to be sided in the player's favour. I love Gio but I don't want his deal throwing a wrench into the team's long term plans.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Locke

If the Flames retained maximum salary ($2M) and traded Gio as a rental to a contender at the deadline? We'd get some killer assets but I believe that as a hockey and organizational move in and of itself it isnt in line with the Flames' currently projected path.

I think they'd be more inclined to hold him like Cammalleri and roll the dice.

I doubt $2M prorated over the remainder of the season from the trade deadline would substantially increase any return.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I doubt $2M prorated over the remainder of the season from the trade deadline would substantially increase any return.

Depends on the team. What if it was Chicago?

Could you imagine the 2014/2015 Chicago Blackhawks adding Giordano at the deadline?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Locke

Depends on the team. What if it was Chicago?

Could you imagine the 2014/2015 Chicago Blackhawks adding Giordano at the deadline?

They might be needing a replacement star, you never know.