[Signing] Flyers sign Voracek to multi-year extension (8 yrs, $8.25 mil AAV)

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Voracek: $10M ($4.5M signing bonus) / $10 ($4SB) / $9.25 ($2SB) / $9.25 ($2SB) / $6.25 ($4SB) / $7.5 (no SB) / $6.25 ($5SB)/$7 (no SB). #TSN

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Interestingly, Voracek was NOT given any no-trade or no-movement clauses from #Flyers. #TSN

That is interesting and in a lot of ways may mitigate part of the term. They bought 8 years of UFA and didnt give up a NMC/NTC which makes the dollars higher but the contract potentially movable at some point depending on circumstances.

I'd say this is a pretty good deal.

[heep223]

4.5M signing bonus. That is all.

[ricardodw]

This signing makes no sense at all to me.

Voracek at age 25 (he is 26 in a couple of weeks) had his very best season every. He played all 82 games and has not missed a game in 3 seasons.

It is pretty safe to say that he is not going to be a dominate player like Gretzky, Lemieux, or even Kane or Toews. Even the late developing Sedins were ppg players by the time they were 25 which they stayed at for 8 years.... making the playoffs all 8 years.

Giroux played all but 1 game last year. He has settled in to a ppg player.... His 93 point career year was 2011-12 .... 4 years ago.

Last year both Voracek and Giroux played as good as can be expected over the next 6-8 years.

They were definitely not good enough as the Flyers finished 14 pts out of the playoffs.

Now that there will be less money on a supporting cast what the heck are the Flyers thinking?

These guys are not good enough to at least get you close to the playoffs

There was 1 freak year out of the last 8 that Getzlaff and Perry did not get the Ducks to the playoffs..... Do the Flyers think that 2014-15 was the freak year?

PS The Flyers with Giroux and Voracek playing all games a ppg also missed the 2012-13 playoffs finishing a mere 7 pts ahead of the pitiful 2012-13 Flames.

If the flames miss the playoff this coming season I would be extremely worried about giving Monahan and Gaudreau there 6x6's even if they play very well.

[Street Pharmacist]

No, the flyers don't think 1 or two players will get you to the playoffs alone

[saillias]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

This signing makes no sense at all to me.

Voracek at age 25 (he is 26 in a couple of weeks) had his very best season every. He played all 82 games and has not missed a game in 3 seasons.

It is pretty safe to say that he is not going to be a dominate player like Gretzky, Lemieux, or even Kane or Toews. Even the late developing Sedins were ppg players by the time they were 25 which they stayed at for 8 years.... making the playoffs all 8 years.

Giroux played all but 1 game last year. He has settled in to a ppg player.... His 93 point career year was 2011-12 .... 4 years ago.

Last year both Voracek and Giroux played as good as can be expected over the next 6-8 years.

They were definitely not good enough as the Flyers finished 14 pts out of the playoffs.

Now that there will be less money on a supporting cast what the heck are the Flyers thinking?

These guys are not good enough to at least get you close to the playoffs

There was 1 freak year out of the last 8 that Getzlaff and Perry did not get the Ducks to the playoffs..... Do the Flyers think that 2014-15 was the freak year?

PS The Flyers with Giroux and Voracek playing all games a ppg also missed the 2012-13 playoffs finishing a mere 7 pts ahead of the pitiful 2012-13 Flames.

If the flames miss the playoff this coming season I would be extremely worried about giving Monahan and Gaudreau there 6x6's even if they play very well.

When you've got Nick Schultz, Grossman, MacDonald, Schenn in your lineup you're going to have a hard time moving the puck to your scoring forwards. That top line is the only part of their team pulling their weight.

[Erick Estrada]

I could live with the deal if it was 4 years but I don't think he's going to be anything close to an $8 million player in his 30's.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by saillias

When you've got Nick Schultz, Grossman, MacDonald, Schenn in your lineup you're going to have a hard time moving the puck to your scoring forwards. That top line is the only part of their team pulling their weight.

Actually their goaltending, for once, was pretty good as well.

The defence is atrocious though.

But they'll win the cup next year if they....oh right, another top-heavy team with atrocious defence got McDavid and now they're going to win the Cup.

Better luck next year Philly. Or worse luck. Or whatever. I really dont care.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I could live with the deal if it was 4 years but I don't think he's going to be anything close to an $8 million player in his 30's.

You dont get 4 years for $8.25M though. If he isnt worth it after 4 then you retain some salary or package him up and ship him off.

The no NMC/NTC is huge.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The AAV is perfectly fine but I don't think I'd have given him 8 years at it. if it was 6x8.25, I'd be applauding. Still, it's not like they had a choice; he'd get this from somewhere.

[TSXCman]

This just seems massive... He had a great season but he is getting paid in elite elevel for potentially the rest of his career, or a few years short of.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

No, the flyers don't think 1 or two players will get you to the playoffs alone

True they can add 1 more big $ player..... looking at Minnesota they added Suter and Parise to Koviu and and went from a door mat to a playoff team the last 2 years.


But the Flyers already have 10M in cap tied up in their top-2 d-men Striet and MacDonald who they have tied up for the next 2 seasons and OMG were on the 2014-15 non-playoff team. It must be the 24 games that MacDonald missed.


The Flyers are doing the same thing the Oilers did..... locking down talent that isn't good enough to make the playoffs.

They are not leaving any cap room to bring a Dougie Hamilton into the mix or offering Monahan/Gaudreau/Lindholm RFA offer sheets.

They are not finishing low enough to draft a Monahan or Bennett


for 2016-17 they have contacts with 15 players from the non-playoff team totally just over 61M in cap.

Glad I am a Flames fan and not a Flyers fan.

[ricardodw]

Yet another angle: would you trade Brodie for Voracek? Hamilton for Voracek?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Yet another angle: would you trade Brodie for Voracek? Hamilton for Voracek?

No, but we're also good up front and need our defence corps.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

True they can add 1 more big $ player..... looking at Minnesota they added Suter and Parise to Koviu and and went from a door mat to a playoff team the last 2 years.


But the Flyers already have 10M in cap tied up in their top-2 d-men Striet and MacDonald who they have tied up for the next 2 seasons and OMG were on the 2014-15 non-playoff team. It must be the 24 games that MacDonald missed.


The Flyers are doing the same thing the Oilers did..... locking down talent that isn't good enough to make the playoffs.

They are not leaving any cap room to bring a Dougie Hamilton into the mix or offering Monahan/Gaudreau/Lindholm RFA offer sheets.

They are not finishing low enough to draft a Monahan or Bennett


for 2016-17 they have contacts with 15 players from the non-playoff team totally just over 61M in cap.

Glad I am a Flames fan and not a Flyers fan.

He is a top 10 NHL point scorer over the last 3 seasons. That's not good enough to get you to the playoffs?

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If the flames miss the playoff this coming season I would be extremely worried about giving Monahan and Gaudreau there 6x6's even if they play very well.

Based off the current market, 6X6 deals are not outlandish for top line players and if we can lock up Monahan and Gaudreau to those deals, I'd jump at the opportunity. The cap keeps rising and in 3 years time, 2nd line players like Frolik and Beleskey will be pulling in $6M. We'll be sitting pretty if we have our 1st liners locked in at $6M per year.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Yet another angle: would you trade Brodie for Voracek? Hamilton for Voracek?

In a bubble, without factoring in team needs or contracts...yes and yes. We probably wouldn't though as we others have mentioned, we need to keep our D.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He is a top 10 NHL point scorer over the last 3 seasons. That's not good enough to get you to the playoffs?

If it was, wouldn't they have been in the playoffs?

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He is a top 10 NHL point scorer over the last 3 seasons. That's not good enough to get you to the playoffs?

Clearly not since they didn't make it last season.

Terrible contract but I'm not surprised. The league is full of them these days.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If it was, wouldn't they have been in the playoffs?

The flyers problem isn't signing Voracek to this contract.

But to say a guy like Voracek isn't "good enough to get you into the playoffs" which is what I was referring to is just plain stupid.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The flyers problem isn't signing Voracek to this contract.

But to say a guy like Voracek isn't "good enough to get you into the playoffs" which is what I was referring to is just plain stupid.

But again, they didn't make the playoffs with him in the lineup, so exactly how is it "just plain stupid"?