Cecil the Lion killed by American poacher

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I agree regarding the bodily harm/threats - but in what world do you think this guy will be punished for his crimes? What would the US charge him for? Or if he is found guilty in Zimbabwe, what are the chances he is extradited? Fat chance of that ever happening.

The US has an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe, and it seems like it could be applied here: the main qualification is that the crime must be punishable by up to year in prison in both countries. Under the US endangered species act, the maximum fine for poaching an endangered species is exactly one year. So there's no legal reason why Palmer couldn't be extradited, but it would require people taking their arguments to their political representatives, rather than to Yelp.

Edit: I'm wrong about the details here, the US doesn't consider the lion an endangered species, so it doesn't apply. But the potential that he bribed officials does:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...xtradited.html

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Edit: I'm wrong about the details here, the US doesn't consider the lion an endangered species, so it doesn't apply. But the potential that he bribed officials does:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...xtradited.html

Sure, but then he'd actually have to be charged in Zimbabwe for doing so, and the bribes probably take care of that.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Public shamings are scary. People can ruin someone's reputation so easily. Even this guy, does he deserve to have his livliehood taken from him, as horrible as his action? It destroys families. It's also possible to destroy lives with wrong accusations.

Yes he deserves all that and more. To bad he couldn't just be thrown in a Zimbabwe jail for the rest of his days. I think that would be sufficient 'destruction'.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Really? You think the punishment for poaching should be life imprisonment? Is it because lions are cute?

Posts like that are the reason why the public should not get to determine sentences for offenders.

[foshizzle11]

This is disgusting. Baiting the lion and luring it out of the park is so wrong. This guy deserves to have his life ruined.

If he broke any laws in Zimbabwe, he should be extradited back there and deal with this a man, not hide in America.

Like others and experts have said, it is likely that Cecil's 6 cubs will be killed. So he could have in effect killed 7 lions.

How can anyone see this as being ok whether it was legal or not?

Again, I have no sympathy for him. Those yelp posts are great. He chose to post pictures of himself with his kills for the public to see. He chose to ruin his reputation by these actions and if his career and practice are destroyed, it is his own fault. That is the world we live in, people need be aware that their every move they make is being watched and I don't mean by the authorities.

He doesn't deserve the death threats or physical harm but I am ok with his reputation being destroyed and his business taking a big hit. Maybe he will serve time in jail too if he is found guilty in Zimbabwe and is extradited.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is anything the American judicial system can do about this at all.

[FlameOn]

Apparently other sordid details of his past are being dug up. Court documents leaked show he was previously accused of sexually harassing female coworkers and touching their genitalia.

He settle out of court for ~$130k that time. Guy thinks he can pretty much do anything with his money.
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/lio...claim-reveals/

[Locke]

Man...that Dentist is getting paid way too much.

[PeteMoss]

I fail to see how this guy's life has been ruined by THE INTERNET. A boatload of tweets and yelp reviews that are getting deleted aren't ruining his life. If you consider this life ruined - it was done by the media when they released his name.

There are tons of examples of internet shaming when something is fully escalated online and is a completely non-newsworthy story but this isn't it. This is just a viral news story that people are annoyed about. His dental practice would have been screwed as soon as the story got out there with or without the Yelp reviews.

[Property Manager DB]

The public are leaving stuffed animals on the doorstep of Walter Palmer’s River Bluff dental office in Bloomington, Minneapolis.

[OMG!WTF!]

I think my right to know who I'm dealing with is way more important than some dbag's right to be a dbag anonymously.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Property Manager DB

The public are leaving stuffed animals on the doorstep of Walter Palmer’s River Bluff dental office in Bloomington, Minneapolis.

Apparently the dental office had to close because some of the protesters were re-enacting the hunt using stuffed animals and water guns as well.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Really? You think the punishment for poaching should be life imprisonment? Is it because lions are cute?

Posts like that are the reason why the public should not get to determine sentences for offenders.

Accelerating the extinction of an already endangered species should sure as hell be worth a lot more then a probation and a fine. I earnestly believe the judicial system doesn't do anything even remotely close to serving adequate punishment to poachers and their ilk. Is life imprisonment fair? I don't know, but the current standard sure as hell isn't either

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Really? You think the punishment for poaching should be life imprisonment? Is it because lions are cute?

Posts like that are the reason why the public should not get to determine sentences for offenders.

No I was being tongue in cheek, I don't think that should be the literal punishment. By 'rest of his days' I meant I would assume some rich, white guy from the US probably wouldn't last long in a Zimbabwe prison. Which would be a damn shame but I'm sure the world would get over it

[btimbit]

I don't care about people that want to hunt, or even trophy hunt, but an endangered species and luring it out of a national park? Absolutely disgusting

[Locke]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I don't care about people that want to hunt, or even trophy hunt, but an endangered species and luring it out of a national park? Absolutely disgusting

Its so ridiculous it sounds like something Wile E. Coyote would do.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I don't care about people that want to hunt, or even trophy hunt, but an endangered species and luring it out of a national park? Absolutely disgusting

Try to justify trophy hunting of any species, even one that's not endangered, without sounding like a ######.

You can't.

[Coach]

This whole situations bring me back to a few Lost World quotes.

Roland Tembo: So go ahead, set up base camp right here, or in a swamp, or in the middle of a Rex nest for all I care. But I've been on too many safaris with rich dentists to listen to any more suicidal ideas, OK?

---

Dr. Ian Malcolm: Just fed? I assume you're talking about Eddie? You might show a little more respect, the man saved our lives by giving his.

Roland Tembo: Then his troubles are over. My point is, predators don't hunt when they're not hungry.

Nick Van Owen: No, only humans do.

Roland Tembo: Oh, you're breaking our hearts! Saddle up, let's get this moveable feast under way!

[FLAMESRULE]

As a hunter this disgusts me. I do not support trophy hunting at all. This guys is a convicted poacher, who settled out of court on a sexual assault charge, and has likely poached again. He is scum.

He gives all legal, honest hunters a bad rap. I'm not one to hope ill will, but I hope he gets the full force of the judicial systems and never hunts again.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The counter example that gives me major hesitation is Cosby. I don't know, maybe he's the exception because I can't conceive of any degree of punishment for him that this social justice machine could manage that I would consider excessive... those cases are rare. I think more likely the right answer is we just have to bite the bullet on those, because systemically, this trend is awful for society.

Cosby and Ghomeshi, but those aren't the only ones. Look at issues such as police brutality against blacks in the U.S. It's been an issue for years but is finally getting the attention it deserves largely because of social media. Hell, look at the Steubenville and Marysville rape cases, towns that were shamed for their actions and the failures of the authorities and citizens of those towns. The Chick-fil-A homophobic employment policies was another one.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Trophy hunt all you want, just make sure you make use of the rest of the animal. I have no problem with someone killing an animal and mounting their head or whatever as long as that's not the sole reason you killed it.

Though that's not really what is meant by "trophy hunting" I suppose. In that case, it's completely indefensible and I honestly believe all fines should be a percentage of your previous year's gross income (say 15%) and jail time. All fines (speeding, etc) should be percentage based so rich people just can't laugh it off an do whatever they want (a varying percentage based off the severity of the crime).