[News] Bouma, Byron, and Jooris and 20 other players file for Salary Arbitration

[puckedoff]

"I love Booms"
- Coach Bob Hartley


Hopefully they settle for a reasonable price, regardless though the Flames can elect to a 1 year at the arbiters rate can they not? So this will not be an issue in the short term anyways.

[pepsishark]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

You're really worked up over a few hundred K.

And you guys are really getting worked up over a 3rd rounder who blocks shots and could probably double his value in a trade.

[Stay Golden]

Bouma number at 2.5m is only slightly to high jmo. The Flames should settle at 2.1-2.25 per on a 3 year and be happy for all Bouma gives to his HC. That is a fair deal for both sides. Bouma has provided more to the Flames then 2 of their 3m players thats for sure.
The Flames at 1.5m seems to be a real low ball number no wonder Bouma is going to arbitration.
I will be surprised if they can't get this worked out prior.

[bax]

Originally Posted by pepsishark

And you guys are really getting worked up over a 3rd rounder who blocks shots and could probably double his value in a trade.

What does where he was drafted have to do with anything?

[pepsishark]

Originally Posted by bax

What does where he was drafted have to do with anything?

It's about as relevant in my post as it is in yours.

[bax]

Originally Posted by pepsishark

It's about as relevant in my post as it is in yours.

I don't think I ever mentioned where he was drafted?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Kris Russell blocks a lot of shots and never uses his hand. A player that blocks shots from his knees with one hand on the stick and his other palm toward the shooter is going to get hurt a lot.

I admire Bouma's do anything to win attitude, but I'd be willing to sell high on a player with his injury history and break neck style.

How high do you think we can sell on Lance Bouma? Nobody's giving a 1st for him. Anything that we could possibly get for Lance Bouma on trade is, best case, 3-5 years away from becoming what Bouma is right now. That's bad asset management.

He's an NHL player. He's also the best penalty killer on the team (Ferland doesn't kill penalties at all), a Hartley favorite, and Monahan's toast buddy. 3 years, $1.75 AAV

[pepsishark]

Listen guys, believe what you want. Treliving only offered the guy $1.5M. This team is clearly not tripping over itself to keep him. If they do, great, I'm sure he'll do fine. Let's hope it's not at the expense of a younger, and in my opinion, more complete bottom 6 player like Ferland. If they do trade him, it's the most value in a return they'll ever receive from this particular asset, and I can't say I'd be upset. I know it hurts to see a fan-favourite get traded, but that's the business. Not every part of the great turnaround of a franchise will remain with the team.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Knut]

What is with all the Anti-Boumites in here all of a sudden ?

Regardless, it is tough to measure the impact of a player that will go to the ends of the earth to help you win. It is infectious and there is reason why these guys are employed by the top teams in the NHL.

[bax]

Originally Posted by pepsishark

Listen guys, believe what you want. Treliving only offered the guy $1.5M. This team is clearly not tripping over itself to keep him. If they do, great, I'm sure he'll do fine. Let's hope it's not at the expense of a younger, and in my opinion, more complete bottom 6 player like Ferland. If they do trade him, it's the most value in a return they'll ever receive from this particular asset, and I can't say I'd be upset. I know it hurts to see a fan-favourite get traded, but that's the business. Not every part of the great turnaround of a franchise will remain with the team.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

This post just demonstrates how off base you are. Treliving did not only offer him 1.5. Do you know how arbitration cases work?

[pepsishark]

Originally Posted by bax

This post just demonstrates how off base you are. Treliving did not only offer him 1.5. Do you know how arbitration cases work?

Christ, anything to feel superior, eh? Can't just respect a difference of opinion.
I'm referring to this:
https://twitter.com/TimWharnsby/stat...23573377404928

All reports from this morning indicate the team and player are around $1M apart.

[dustygoon]

You can imagine how a Bouma arbitration would play out....his agent would highlight the blocks and hits and sacrificing and improving goals. All valid.

But what the hell is Byron's agent going to say? He's.......fast. And gets breakaways. He almost scores all the time.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by pepsishark

Listen guys, believe what you want. Treliving only offered the guy $1.5M. This team is clearly not tripping over itself to keep him. If they do, great, I'm sure he'll do fine. Let's hope it's not at the expense of a younger, and in my opinion, more complete bottom 6 player like Ferland. If they do trade him, it's the most value in a return they'll ever receive from this particular asset, and I can't say I'd be upset. I know it hurts to see a fan-favourite get traded, but that's the business. Not every part of the great turnaround of a franchise will remain with the team.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

I don't think folks are 'believing what they want' as in they are fabricating or lying to themselves about the ability of the player.

People here are valuing Bouma differently than you are, that's all. I think Bouma is very capable, has other attributes like heart and is good looking, and is still young enough to learn and adapt to what the team needs.

I don't think you can easily replace Bouma.

[bax]

Originally Posted by pepsishark

Christ, anything to feel superior, eh? Can't just respect a difference of opinion.

I'm referring to this:

https://twitter.com/TimWharnsby/stat...23573377404928



All reports from this morning indicate the team and player are around $1M apart.

I respect the difference of opinion and I know perfectly well what you are referring to. The fact that the flames arbitration number is 1.5 does not demonstrate "that's all that Treliving offered."

An arbitration case sees a team go in with the lowest possible number and a player go in with their highest possible number and an arbitrator will help them meet in the middle.

By stating that was the flames best offer to Bouma, you are factually wrong.

Enjoy your day

[Bandwagon In Flames]

There are two posters who have entered this thread that obviously don't have a clue about hockey, let alone the Flames.

Bouma is not getting traded. He is our best bottom-6 forward. Bouma doesn't score garbage goals and he gives it his all every shift. He's the type of player that's always more valuable to the team than in a trade return. Call him Mr. intangibles, while still having quantifiable value.

In other news, I think I found moon's new CP account. I've never seen a more obvious attempt to get the pitchforks out. 6 of 6 posts are negative troll posts so far. Not even trying to hide it.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by InconvenientTruth

Bouma was played in the top 6 for a good chunk of the season. He absolutely should never be used that way.

Ok. Now add Bennett and Frolik to that roster. Problem solved.

If there's a position in hockey I'm not overly worried about getting the perfect guy in, it's the #2 LW. This year's conference final teams had players like Alex Killorn, Beleskey, Chris Kreider/Hagelin in those roles

[Fire]

Saying the Flames can trade Bouma because Ferland can play his style of game is idiotic. Wouldn't any NHL team love to have two of these type of players on the team? Want to make room? Send Raymond down to the minors and buy him out next season. Send Jooris and Granlund to the minors if necessary.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

What the hell is "the eyeballs crowd"?

Pesky hockey watchers!

[CaptainYooh]

I like Bouma as a player very much. I like his heart, his intensity, his good shot and his willingness to leave it all on the ice each and every game. I don't believe there was one game last season where I could say that Bouma was just "cruising along".

Having said that, Bouma's demonstrated style of play is partly a substitute for the missing hockey technical skills that are necessary for a higher-line/higher-end player. In essence, what I am trying to say, he is a great 4th line player that, perhaps, would like to play higher and thinks that he had earned it by exhibiting all of the above great qualities. But, as a GM, you have to assume various negative scenarios in each contract negotiation and one big question is: can Bouma sustain this level of play for several years and does he have a much higher risk of being injured because of his playing style? I think this is the only reason for hesitation on the part of Treliving in finalizing his contract.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I like Bouma as a player very much. I like his heart, his intensity, his good shot and his willingness to leave it all on the ice each and every game. I don't believe there was one game last season where I could say that Bouma was just "cruising along".

Having said that, Bouma's demonstrated style of play is partly a substitute for the missing hockey technical skills that are necessary for a higher-line/higher-end player. In essence, what I am trying to say, he is a great 4th line player that, perhaps, would like to play higher and thinks that he had earned it by exhibiting all of the above great qualities. But, as a GM, you have to assume various negative scenarios in each contract negotiation and one big question is: can Bouma sustain this level of play for several years and does he have a much higher risk of being injured because of his playing style? I think this is the only reason for hesitation on the part of Treliving in finalizing his contract.

If you're giving Bouma 4th line minutes, you aren't using him properly. He's on the #1 PK unit and has more skill than any 4th liner I can think of. Bouma is a great 3rd line player. No need to sell him short just because a couple attention seeking posters are spewing nonsense.