So what happens with Glencross?

[Daradon]

Yeah, really weird year for Curtis. Feel bad for the guy. I wonder if there is more to the story. I have no idea what happens, but it's not like he's unmarketable. He'll land in the NHL somewhere. I hope he has a bit of a resurgence, though I believe he's peaked and probably won't do much more than grinder status.

[Gaskal]

Wouldn't it be ironic if he signed with Boston?

[AC]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Wouldn't it be ironic if he signed with Boston?

What's ironic about that?

[Gaskal]

Because one way of looking at the Hamilton trade is 15th overall, part of Glencross, Sven for Dougie Hamilton and a 3rd. And then he'd end up there anyway

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by AC

What's ironic about that?

It would be like rain on your wedding day.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It would be like rain on your wedding day.

Or a free ride when you're already paid.

[1991 Canadian]

Arizona might be a good fit. Relatively close to home, guaranteed a couple visits back to Alberta. Barely at the cap floor. He could get a one year contract from them. I honestly hope he lands somewhere and does well. It's a shame people around here will likely remember for his last year with the Flames. I prefer to remember him as the solid second line winger we stole from the Oilers inept and greedy hands.

[Jason14h]

Can we magically get rid of Raymonds contract and give Glencross a 1 year deal?

Hmmm.... Guess we're stuck with Raymond

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Or a free ride when you're already paid.

Or 10000 spoons when all you need is a knife

....I think he will sign with an NHL team before September 18th though (to keep on topic)

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

....I think he will sign with an NHL team before September 18th though (to keep on topic)

And who would've thought....it figures

[CliffFletcher]

This isn't about Glencross. The market for UFAs is weakening as teams have to devote more cap-space to young RFAs.


NHL free agents becoming desperate as money dries up in a buyers’ market

"Many teams still need to sign their key restricted free agents, and with young players getting paid like never before, GMs have been forced to allocate more dollars and term for those contracts."

[Lanny_McDonald]

Kevin Lowe and the Edmonton Oilers ruined the system that was designed to pay for performance and not for promise. The Penner offersheet and the 6x6 standard 2nd contracts offered by those fools changed the way contracts were envisioned to work. It altered the game and has forced teams to get younger and forgo spending on UFAs. The top end players get richer, the support players get poorer, and the length of the average career likely gets shorter.

[T@T]

Yeah, the Vanek OS was terrible as well.

I wonder if Gio is looking at this thinking he better not drag this out too long.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by New Era

Kevin Lowe and the Edmonton Oilers ruined the system that was designed to pay for performance and not for promise. The Penner offersheet and the 6x6 standard 2nd contracts offered by those fools changed the way contracts were envisioned to work. It altered the game and has forced teams to get younger and forgo spending on UFAs. The top end players get richer, the support players get poorer, and the length of the average career likely gets shorter.

I said it the day the Vanek offer was made public...and the majority thought I was nuts because the salary cap would even things out.

Back when this forum was a lot less PC so a bit of vitriol by some and a lot of backpedalling by others since.


http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ighlight=Vanek

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Can we magically get rid of Raymonds contract and give Glencross a 1 year deal?

Hmmm.... Guess we're stuck with Raymond

While i would not trade Raymond to sign Glencross ( Flames need to subtract forwards , not add) I agree with your final statement "we're stuck with Raymond".

I don't see a market for Raymond even if the flames eat 50% of his salary. Teams need money for their RFA's and there are still NHL quality players in the ufa market that would probably sign 1 year contracts. I look at the signing of Stewart, and think to myself, if i was a GM i would rather have Stewart for 1 year than have Raymond for 2.

The more i think about it having Raymond on the Flames roster is not the end of the world. I see him as this years pressbox boy. He is not taking a roster spot away from a youngster because the flames rather have youngsters playing in the AHL than sitting in the pressbox. Flames have plenty of cap space, so no problem there.

Sorry my post was more about Raymond than Glencross.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

Arizona might be a good fit. Relatively close to home, guaranteed a couple visits back to Alberta.

I'm not sure Glencross is necessarily in a position to pick and choose where he goes. I think with his performance last year, he's starting to make the shift from "I'll pick whatever option fits my cowboy lifestyle the best" to "I'll take whatever I can get to stay in the league".

Most teams aren't dumb. They saw the same Glencross we did...and nobody wants to spend big money/term for that. Glencross probably has a few modest 1 or 2 year offers on the table right now from teams who want to see if he can recover. The 4-5 year contract he was hoping for is a pipe dream.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Because one way of looking at the Hamilton trade is 15th overall, part of Glencross, Sven for Dougie Hamilton and a 3rd. And then he'd end up there anyway

Sven has noting to do with the Dougie trade. The flames used the pick acquired from Sven to draft Anderson.

One way to look at it though is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Glencross for Hamilton, Kylington

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sven has noting to do with the Dougie trade. The flames used the pick acquired from Sven to draft Anderson.

One way to look at it though is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Glencross for Hamilton, Kylington

And when I look at that, I think: Highway robbery!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I said it the day the Vanek offer was made public...and the majority thought I was nuts because the salary cap would even things out.

Back when this forum was a lot less PC so a bit of vitriol by some and a lot of backpedalling by others since.


http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ighlight=Vanek

Brian Burke said as much as well after the Penner deal:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/angr...-lowe-1.634868

"If you can identify a player and pay him appropriately and make him an offer, that's fine. At some point, the deals you make, the offers you extend, whether the team matches it or not, impacts all 30 teams, including your own."

It directly led to us overpaying Phaneuf, which in turn led to his devaluation as an asset and the subsequent trade.

Honestly though, I am not necessarily against paying for potentials instead of past accomplishments. Either way it is a risk. In one scenario, you have an older player getting paid big dollars that may never hit their peak again, or in another scenario you might have a young player getting big dollars that plateaus sooner than you hoped. It's definitely changed the way teams have to be managed now though. The old way was easier because there was a more tangible way of figuring out contracts and now there is more guessing.

I do kind of feel bad for some of the older players that straddled both systems at the wrong point of their careers though. They are the ones that ended up paying for it. Glencross took what was probably somewhat of a discount only to realize now that past production isn't weighted like it used to be when negotiating.

[Strange Brew]

I gotta believe 6 months ago this guy probably had an offer for a $12 to $15 million guaranteed contract. Now maybe looking at $2 million. You bet the Glencross camp is nervous.

And then it rained on his wedding day.