Outside of Gilmour for Leeman, the most disappointing trade in Flames history

[pacde]

Joe Mullen for a second rounder so he could go play for Badger Bob in Pittsburgh

[calgarygeologist]

I didn't like the Bouwmeester trade. I was also really disappointed that the Flames couldn't sign Cammalleri in 2009.

[Hanna Sniper]

Iginla for Klimchuk, Hanoski and Agostini
Regehr, 2nd for Butler, Byron

I notice to the league that the Flames had an incompetent GM that you could take advantage of if you hold your ground. Couldn't have played this hand any worse

Joe Mullen was a bitter pill

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Dion for me. Iginla was just sad because it was Iggy, but the return wasn't as bad at the time as Phaneuf.

I'm only 21 so a lot of these old trades never impacted me personally but yikes there are some bad ones out there...

I am only 20, so the only bad trades I personally have remembered are the Phaneuf and Regher trades.

[Coach]

Phaneuf.

He's a bit of a dud now, but we should have been trading him for Dougie Hamilton type value at the time. We are only left with Stajan. Although, at this point, I'd rather have Stajan.

[SuperMatt18]

At the time it has to be Phaneuf.

Guy was in his early 20s, was a Norris candidate, and was supposed to be the "next" Flames star.

Then we traded him for a bunch of bit pieces.

Of course in retrospect it doesn't look as bad, but at the time that was an absolute nightmare.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I'll add one trade that irked me at the time, and that I really disliked more as time went by that nobody has mentioned yet.

Valeri Bure
Jason Wiemer
for
Rob Niedermayer

Now Valeri Bure had his warts, but he was a much needed offensive spark for the Flames at the time, and really blossomed after Fleury left (and what I predicted would happen, as I thought Fleury was too selfish of a player).

In Bure's last 3 seasons in Calgary, this was his stat line:
GP 240 Goals 88 Assists: 95 Points: 183

Wiemer I thought was a pretty decent 2-way player that showed a lot of heart and grit and would often drop the mitts. I thought he was a pretty good player (for what he was) at the time, though his later reacquisition showed him to be a bit slower and underwhelming. This was his stat line in the preceding 3 seasons:
GP 207 Goals 29 Assists: 29 Points: 58

Rob Niedermayer at the time was a former 5th overall pick who hit 20 goals once in his career. This was his statline in the previous 3 seasons with Florida:
GP 230 Goals: 40 Assists: 116 Points: 156

Unless Wiemer was a negative-value contract thrown in (which he wasn't at the time), it was just a terrible gamble that Niedermayer would be able to come close to his lofty expectations when he was originally drafted - even though it was already 7 full seasons and 9 years since he was drafted.

Definitely not even close to the worst trade in Flames' history, but one that has bugged me. Trade didn't work out for Bure - injuries quickly derailed his career. Bure wasn't some phenom, but he was a much needed offensive catalyst for the Flames, and a decent scorer. Niedermayer was the more complete player, but definitely lacked Bure's offensive abilities.

On a sidenote, it was an interesting trade as it was basically like a mad scientist breeding Bure and Wiemer together to get a Niedermayer.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I find it hard to overly criticize most of the 90's trades after Risebrough as most of them were deals where the Flames couldn't afford to retain their players and were trying to get less expensive players in return that could still contribute. For example I don't know how anyone could be overly upset about the return for Roberts and Kidd seeing Giguere went on to be for a time one of the best goaltenders in the league and Cassels was at least a capable center for a team that needed one bad.

That was a great trade at the time. Got rid of a clear dud in Kidd and Roberts I think wanted to go out east anyway (there was also uncertainty with him as it was his second or third comeback attempt) . Probably would've lost him in UFA when the time came anyway. As you said, Cassels was good for us (hated seeing him sign with the Nucks) and Giguere could've been great but was squandered in a future trade. That doesn't change that it was initially a good trade for a cash strapped team.

[GioforPM]

The return for Gilmour was crappy, but everyone forgets he walked out on the team and forced a trade. Not a position of strength for the Flames. And it cost them Macoun, Walmsley and Nattress.

In fact, none of the trades usually mentioned are bad because of losing the main player - it's always been the return that's been questioned. That's why I like Treliving - he seems to be a guy who leaves no stone unturned in looking for value.

[Hack&Lube]

We all know how bad it's been in the past, with great talent not being recognized and traded/given away for a pittance.

However, in recent memory, the one that sticks out to me is I remember being very disappointed when we got rid of Strahlman. I thought he had great potential at the time and had some ties to the city as far as his interviews and how his first child was born here.

[Stay Golden]

The return for Iginla was way to light from PIT.
The 1st round pick was to be expected but the prospects looked to be AHL lifers instead of future NHL contributors.
Agostino and Hanowski.
Hanowski was just released outright and Agostino has the size but quality of skating is still an issue.
43 pts last season in the AHL.
For Iginla the prospects were not imptessive.

[polak]

Literally everything Darryl Sutter did besides these trades:

the Kiprusoff trade, Langkow trade, the Cammalleri trade, the Tanguay trade and the Huselius trade.

Seriously. Go through this and read how bad it is.
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...l_Sutter/165/1

5 good trades over 6 years. He completely lost his mind.

[mikephoen]

Just read through this entire thread... how depressing.

I'm going to go re-read the Dougie Hamilton thread to cheer myself up.

[SuperMatt18]

Whenever I see that we gave up the pick that became Brandon Saad it makes me sad.

Especially because we then ended up giving Stralman away too.

[heep223]

^ I see what you did there

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Trading up to pick Kidd and passing on Brodeur

Except at the time Kidd was the better prospect.
20/20 draft hindsight isn't really fair.

[Flames_F.T.W]

The fact that we didn't get at least a 1st for Phaneuf was an absolute travesty

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Except at the time Kidd was the better prospect.
20/20 draft hindsight isn't really fair.

completely agree, but looking back it's the most disappointing trade I can think of and still stings. If it's about a trade I was disappointed at the time, it has to be phaneuf by a landslide for me (I'd now take stajan straight up for him). I had just been to see the Flames beat the wild and had Iggy sign a jersey and dion sign a jersey and was pumped. The trade happened about a week after they had come back from being framed. If that wasn't bad enough, he went to the leafs. I live in Ontario and most everyone around here are leaf fans so the bragging about not giving much up and how the leafs were going to be so great was insufferable. I remember my wife telling people not to call or come over that sunday morning because I was so upset.

So at the time, I was happy about moving up to get kidd and then I was extremely upset about "giving away" dion. Now I'm upset about moving up to get kidd and I'm happy we ditched dion and got Stajan.

[sketchyt]

This is a weird one and I don't know why it stands as a disappointing trade as it was a pretty inconsequential player, but Brad Werenka.

He seemed to skate well and then traded Rene Corbet for him (who when I was a kid thought was the key piece to the Fleury trade). Then we lose Werenka to a concussion and barely saw him play.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Matty81

letting Joel Otto walk for nothing when he wanted to stay.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Philly swoop in and offer sheet him to something like 4m/season or some such? I don't remember us realistically being able to compete with that one...


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