07-06-2015, 07:42 AM
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#81
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In the Sin Bin
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Yup. Hiring Darryl came from above, and that was the point where Button became a dead man walking. Darryl was the de facto GM fro the point he was hired as coach.
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07-06-2015, 09:13 PM
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#82
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Perth Australia
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Apologies if its been already posted.
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07-06-2015, 09:38 PM
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#83
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Miniac
Apologies if its been already posted.
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Lot of people here hate Marty for some reason. Is it the Stevie Y thing and the Olympics? Or the game 7 defeat in 2004?
Guy had a helluva a career. Made the Calgary Flames management ( and most of the league ) look like idiots as he was breaking into the league.
Gio says high! Are we all gonna get all over Gio if we trade him or let him walk as a UFA? Are we gonna get pissy if he says one day I should of been on that team?
Marty had a great career. Respect it.
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07-06-2015, 11:19 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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Funny how time has coloured and re-written history in regards to St Louis
He was given every opportunity in this organization, almost didn't make in Tampa as well... then things started going right for him. Hard work and never giving up paid off but he was very close to not being remembered. Major props for believing in his dream
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07-06-2015, 11:40 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper
Funny how time has coloured and re-written history in regards to St Louis
He was given every opportunity in this organization, almost didn't make in Tampa as well... then things started going right for him. Hard work and never giving up paid off but he was very close to not being remembered. Major props for believing in his dream
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Well you have your history and I have mine. In mine I followed him before the Flames signed him. When he got to the Flames I saw a very talented player who was stuck on the third or fourth line playing with plumbers. I was pretty mad when he got let go. Most of you probably didn't see him play or if they did, didn't pay attention to what we had.
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07-07-2015, 12:30 AM
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#86
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Well you have your history and I have mine. In mine I followed him before the Flames signed him. When he got to the Flames I saw a very talented player who was stuck on the third or fourth line playing with plumbers. I was pretty mad when he got let go. Most of you probably didn't see him play or if they did, didn't pay attention to what we had.
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In the mid to late 90s you followed the undrafted Martin St. Louis playing for the University of Vermont?
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07-07-2015, 12:52 AM
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#87
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by chubeyr1
Lot of people here hate Marty for some reason. Is it the Stevie Y thing and the Olympics? Or the game 7 defeat in 2004?
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Marty had a great career. Respect it.
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I'm going with the Olympics and his handling of leaving Tampa.
There's tons of players who have had a great career. Doesn't mean for one second they're loved by everyone. Also, respect isn't commanded just by being good at what you do.
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07-07-2015, 03:32 AM
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#88
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
In the mid to late 90s you followed the undrafted Martin St. Louis playing for the University of Vermont?
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Not at the U pf V but that summer he was an interesting player known as a big scorer when he signed on in the International League. I was pretty happy when the Flames signed him as the rest of our prospects weren't much.
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07-07-2015, 08:49 AM
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#89
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper
Funny how time has coloured and re-written history in regards to St Louis
He was given every opportunity in this organization, almost didn't make in Tampa as well... then things started going right for him. Hard work and never giving up paid off but he was very close to not being remembered. Major props for believing in his dream
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LOL. That's like saying ya Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Everyone looked at him and didn't think he was athletic enough to ever make it. Patriots almost never selected him. He was 4th string. Ya he has 4 Super Bowl rings, 3 Super Bowl MVPs and 10 Pro Bowls but let's not forget it almost didn't happen.
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07-07-2015, 09:00 AM
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#90
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Well you have your history and I have mine. In mine I followed him before the Flames signed him. When he got to the Flames I saw a very talented player who was stuck on the third or fourth line playing with plumbers. I was pretty mad when he got let go. Most of you probably didn't see him play or if they did, didn't pay attention to what we had.
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And I'm sure you remember when he passed through waivers as well as no other team wanted to give him a chance either.
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07-07-2015, 11:20 AM
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#92
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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Originally Posted by Hackey
LOL. That's like saying ya Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Everyone looked at him and didn't think he was athletic enough to ever make it. Patriots almost never selected him. He was 4th string. Ya he has 4 Super Bowl rings, 3 Super Bowl MVPs and 10 Pro Bowls but let's not forget it almost didn't happen.
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What? Sorry that is nothing like I'm saying
I was saying. There's was reports around the time when St Louis won his first Hart trophy about his early struggles in trying to establish himself in the NHL and how he didn't find imitate success in Tampa. At that time his recollection of his chance given in Calgary was very positive
Could he have been lying and just not ruffle feathers, who knows, but I have no doubt that jealously has created quite a monster here at CP with hindsight in regards to him
What you are talking about with Brady has zero to do with what I'm talking about.
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07-07-2015, 11:44 AM
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#93
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
And I'm sure you remember when he passed through waivers as well as no other team wanted to give him a chance either.
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Yeah, but as it turned out they were all wrong. There was obvious bias because of his size.
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07-07-2015, 11:49 AM
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#94
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Yeah, but as it turned out they were all wrong. There was obvious bias because of his size.
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I'm sure passing through waivers had zero effect on St Louis, he didn't commit himself harder or try to capitalize on his next opportunity or opportunity after that. From day one he was the elite player that only a very few wise people saw and all that hard work he in put in afterwards didn't have any result in his success
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07-07-2015, 11:57 AM
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#95
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Hackey
So no one here has ever had a job where they didn't get along with their boss and they quit to go work somewhere else? Never knew of a friend or family member that did that? Just so weird to me that some of you have taken such a stance on the guy when you've never met him and you don't even know what actually happened. Seems like being close to his family in Connecticut played a major role in where he was traded and his retirement when most thought he was still capable of playing. Apparently no one here has felt slighted in a situation at work. If your close to the end of your career I'm sure a lot of people would have the feeling of screw this I'm gonna do what makes me happy. These guys aren't doing me any favors so I'm gonna do what's best for me. Seems like normal human EMOTION. Sometimes we act out of it. Doesn't make you a terrible person. I'll admit I fell into the crowd that thought it was a bit childish but then I realized I actually don't know what happened and even if it was what people speculate that's just a regular situation that most people deal with in their profession. I'm sure most of us if we had the opportunity would act on it. People usually put their own happiness and the happiness of their family first. Marty quitely asked for a trade, left and went and played hockey.
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He was pretty public about feeling snubbed by Yzerman for the Olympics. Nothing wrong with feeling like you should have made it but by going public, you are saying one of the guys named shouldn't be there.
And then it was pretty well known that he wanted out of playing for Yzerman's team after the Olympics .
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07-07-2015, 12:09 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I don't have any issues with St. Louis playing a role in the Flames losing the cup in 2004 and do think he's been a great success story and an inspiration for smaller players that with hard work an NHL career is possible. That said for me at least he lost a bit of lustre the way he kind of acted like a baby about the whole team Canada thing as a lot of very good players have been left off the roster and he's the first player I can recall that actually made a big deal about it. Still though he's a good story.
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07-07-2015, 02:21 PM
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#97
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper
What? Sorry that is nothing like I'm saying
I was saying. There's was reports around the time when St Louis won his first Hart trophy about his early struggles in trying to establish himself in the NHL and how he didn't find imitate success in Tampa. At that time his recollection of his chance given in Calgary was very positive
Could he have been lying and just not ruffle feathers, who knows, but I have no doubt that jealously has created quite a monster here at CP with hindsight in regards to him
What you are talking about with Brady has zero to do with what I'm talking about.
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You said he was very close to not being remembered. Just found the comment a bit odd given all that he has proven and accomplished at this point. Similarily to Brady being a super long shot it would be kind of weird to bring that up now given all that he has accomplished. Maybe I misunderstood you but I thought you were trying to discredit what he has done by saying it almost never happened. That part I didn't agree with because it did happen and the results happened over and over and over and over.
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07-07-2015, 02:32 PM
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#98
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
He was pretty public about feeling snubbed by Yzerman for the Olympics. Nothing wrong with feeling like you should have made it but by going public, you are saying one of the guys named shouldn't be there.
And then it was pretty well known that he wanted out of playing for Yzerman's team after the Olympics .
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Actually Yzerman said that St Louis had talked to him about about being traded as soon as he became GM. Sounds like for 4 years there was discussion about it. When he finally left he told fans it was for family reasons. Yzerman himself said the Olympics wasn't the reason he left. Sounds like he just really wanted to be closer to his family and actually stuck it out in Tampa for several years even though he didn't want too.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle17339317/
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07-07-2015, 02:55 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackey
Actually Yzerman said that St Louis had talked to him about about being traded as soon as he became GM. Sounds like for 4 years there was discussion about it. When he finally left he told fans it was for family reasons. Yzerman himself said the Olympics wasn't the reason he left. Sounds like he just really wanted to be closer to his family and actually stuck it out in Tampa for several years even though he didn't want too.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle17339317/
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The final Olympic team was chosen in January 2014. He asked for a trade after that. The previous time, in 2010, he was also left off and Yzerman was involved, but Yzerman wasn't the Tampa GM then.
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightn...c-snub/2167047
http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/...-picks-reports
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07-07-2015, 03:06 PM
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#100
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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I always think that if players voice displeasure at not being picked for a team, they should identify what player they figure should be left on instead. I guess Marty thought he should be on instead of Kunitz maybe? Or Sharp?
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