NHL Power Rankings

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by New Era

Drops the mic and walks off the stage.

Seriously, to anyone who took a stats class above the 100 level, hockey advanced stats are a joke. If you don't get it, take a 500 or 600 level advanced stats class. You'll laugh at this bull#### too.

That's one of the biggest knocks against the hockey analytic movement I think, the severe lack of anyone that has post secondary education in statistics. Look at "Department of Hockey Analytics" and their article in the Star today about the media not looking at Flames under lying stats when praising them.

They're a former player agent and lawyer, a economics professor, and a former high stakes poker player and litigator. Their backgrounds don't given them nearly enough credibility to make claims such "Many journalists (and coaches and fans) have a hard time separating results from actual performance, probably because they don’t realize just how big a role randomness/luck plays over a 20 (or 40 or even 80) game span."

[mikephoen]

I'm excited for the next wave of advanced stats. Once players are chipped up, the puck is chipped and there are more and better ways of capturing data I think we'll see some really interesting stuff. And hopefully the NHL will hire real statisticians (like ones with at least a masters in the subject) to interpret this data and present it to fans.

And then we'll never again have to hear washed up lawyers and math challenged sportscasters presenting amateur stats like PDO as though they have any meaning.

[Vulcan]

Calling what their conclusions are "analytics" is over stating their case, and that's being nice.

[PeteMoss]

Read somewhere recently that the 83-84 Oilers were outshot over the course of the season.

Such a lucky team.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Read somewhere recently that the 83-84 Oilers were outshot over the course of the season.

Such a lucky team.

I'd wanna see the proof before I believe him

[PeteMoss]

The 1983-84 Edmonton Oilers, considered by some to be the best team ever, was merely a middling team that got lucky.
If I’ve gotten your attention and you’re already howling “M-O-R-O-N!” we’re off to a good start. But hear me out, because there’s a point . . .
As everyone in the analytics community knows, shot differential is critical to winning games. Teams that get outshot may do well for a while, but eventually the math catches up with them and they start losing more games than they win.
That Oilers team recorded 2,613 shots for and 2,642 shots against, giving them a shots for percentage (SF%) of 49.7%. To put that number into context, that would have placed them 19th in the league last season, just behind the Philadelphia Flyers and slightly better than the Phoenix Coyotes.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey...got_lucky.html

[opendoor]

I'm not sure the Oilers in the early 80s or the pond hockey that occurred back then has a ton of relevance today. Winning the cup while getting outshot in the regular season was fairly commonplace in the '80s but there's a reason it has happened once in the last 25 or so years.

Never mind that raw shot numbers don't include any kind of context for ES vs special teams and perhaps more importantly score effects. When you outscore your opponents by almost 2 goals a game there's a lot of time playing with the lead which is a situation even the best teams struggle to maintain an even shot differential.

[stemit14]

Looking at the standings... That metropolitan division sure is pretty cushy for the islanders and penguins. They have a 12 and 10 point cushion, respectively, on the 3rd best team (rangers) in that division.

[Bingo]

Sportsnet Power Rankings have the Flames in 13th (good) with this comment (bad)

Calgary hasn't qualified for the post-season in five seasons, but they're in playoff position now -- thanks to the combined efforts of three goalies on their roster. Lyrical expression: "You are the drought/ And I'm the holy water you have been without"

Sportsnet Rankings

Calgary's team save percentage as of today? 22nd at .906

[Scoutski]

TSN has us in 21st from the 20th of Jan:

Rookie G Joni Ortio has been a find, stopping 116 of 120 shots in four games for the Flames since getting called up. How long does he keep the net?
Key Injuries: LW Curtis Glencross (lower body).

ESPN has us in 15th from the 19th of Jan

How about a perfect 3-0-0 record so far on this huge road trip with wins in Vancouver, Arizona and San Jose? The trip goes through L.A. on Monday night and then wraps up in Anaheim on Wednesday night.

Bleacher Report has us in 17th from the 18th of Jan

The Flames have won three straight, all on the road and all with a goaltender who hadn’t spent a second in net this season. Joni Ortio is 3-0-0 with a 1.33/.953 split that will be put to the test in Los Angeles and Anaheim this week.

Sports Illustrated has us in 15th from the 20th of Jan

[Vinny01]

http://m.espn.go.com/nhl/rankings?se...D1924727%22%7D

ESPN did a post July 1 ranking. Flames are the highest Canadian team at 8

Canucks and Leafs in the bottom 5

[GGG]

Is ahead of the rangers and islanders is a stretch but us in the 10-14 spot would be reasonable. The shiny new toy affect is going to be strong with pundits backing the flames early.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

http://m.espn.go.com/nhl/rankings?se...D1924727%22%7D

ESPN did a post July 1 ranking. Flames are the highest Canadian team at 8

Canucks and Leafs in the bottom 5

Oilers ahead of Dallas and Denver? That's kind of a joke as I knew it wouldn't be long until the media after making fun of them for the past few years jumped right back on the bandwagon.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is ahead of the rangers and islanders is a stretch but us in the 10-14 spot would be reasonable. The shiny new toy affect is going to be strong with pundits backing the flames early.

I agree the acquisitions if Hamilton and Frolik definitely are going to quiet the pundits that were ready to jump on the regression bandwagon. I didn't expect we would get tossed in the top 10 right away but not complaining. I am trying to keep my own expectations in check but Treliving made it hard with those moves he made at the draft and July 1.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

http://m.espn.go.com/nhl/rankings?se...D1924727%22%7D

ESPN did a post July 1 ranking. Flames are the highest Canadian team at 8

Canucks and Leafs in the bottom 5

So Anaheim gets applause for "adding depth", but they completely ignore that they lost their #1 defenseman (in terms of TOI), amongst other things. Sorry, but if you replace Beauchemin with Kevin Bieksa of all people, then you're not "trending up" in my opinion.

Also I think Philly is way too low. They still have elite talent up front and a very good goaltender ... they are a better team than they showed last season. They simply had a terrible coach.

[Vinny01]

Anaheim's Blueline is full of emerging talent losing Beauchiman is not going to be a major loss. Hagelin in but Palmari, Belesky, Etem out seems like a downgrade

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Anaheim's Blueline is full of emerging talent losing Beauchiman is not going to be a major loss. Hagelin in but Palmari, Belesky, Etem out seems like a downgrade

You're correct regarding their youth on the blue line, however I can assure you Kevin Bieksa is a serious downgrade on Beauchemin.

I don't think Anaheim has improved this off season at all.

[FBI]

Great move in Comeau?? Lol

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by FBI

Great move in Comeau?? Lol

Is it just me or is Colorado blowing it by loading up a young up and coming team with over the hill vets?

[HOWITZER]

What will be interesting is that Anaheim is trading for all the players we hate on the Canucks. Kesler. Bieksa. Who next?