[Signing] Flames sign RW Michael Frolik to 5 year deal ($4.3 mil aav)

[Enoch Root]

If Frolik plays with Backlund, he'll likely have similar minutes to last year (Backlund was 17:44 and Frolik was 17:30).

If he plays on the 3rd line, he'll probably be down in the 15-16 minute rage.

[Red Menace]

Wonder what number Frolik gets?
I suppose 67 is out of the question.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames have a much stronger interchangeable 7-14 set of forwards... Frolik won't be getting as much default ice-time as he did with the Jets.

I couldn't see Chevy not wanting to lock Frolik up for the long term. Last year, they wanted to sign Frolik over a 4-5 year deal, but Frolik only agreed to a single year deal. Meanwhile, we sign Stafford to a two-year $8.7 year deal.

Good job by the Flames to snag him though.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If Frolik plays with Backlund, he'll likely have similar minutes to last year (Backlund was 17:44 and Frolik was 17:30).

If he plays on the 3rd line, he'll probably be down in the 15-16 minute rage.

Backlund's prime linemates last year were Bouma (51% of his 5 on 5 time) and Jones 47%... Bouma had 14:01 and Jones 14:20.


With Bennett being added I don't see Frolik getting more time on the PP .... basically competing with Raymond, Jones, Colbourne and Backlund for 2nd shift PP time.

While looking this up I was really surprised that Frolik had the #7 PK TOI of Jets forwards..... One of the things that I noticed on CP was that he was going to really boost the Flames PK??

The Jets had a full 4th line playing less than 10 minutes a game. The Flames had Bollig at 8:45 and the next lowest regular TOI was Stajan at 11:59..... Hartley was rolling 4 lines for much of the time.

[Enoch Root]

Once Bennett's ice time starts to climb, I expect the Flames to have very limited time for the 4th line as well.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is the very definition of a team that will forever be in a perpetual rebuild.

No, that's strong asset management.

edit: actually strong asset management would have been trading him at the deadline. Frolik, for a team like Winnipeg, doesn't make sense for 5 years. 3 or 4, maybe.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

No, that's strong asset management.

edit: actually strong asset management would have been trading him at the deadline. Frolik, for a team like Winnipeg, doesn't make sense for 5 years. 3 or 4, maybe.

Letting a 27 year old 2nd line winger walk because you have kids coming is not asset management, it's rebuilding.

Forcing the kids to take jobs, AND THEN moving out vets for picks - THAT'S strong asset management.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

No, that's strong assent management.

Letting players walk as UFAs and then replacing them with younger, cheaper (not necessarily better) options isn't strong asset management. Literally every team in the league does this, it's mainly a function of the salary cap.

Strong asset management would've been trading Frolik at the deadline since the Jets didn't have a chance against any potential round 1 opponent anyway.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Letting players walk as UFAs and then replacing them with younger, cheaper (not necessarily better) options isn't strong asset management. Literally every team in the league does this, it's mainly a function of the salary cap.

Strong asset management would've been trading Frolik at the deadline since the Jets didn't have a chance against any potential round 1 opponent anyway.

Disagree with this. The Jets had a chance and needed to make a run to get to the playoffs. It wasn't bad asset management because Frolik should be replaced by someone in their prospect pool which is supposedly the deepest in the league.

Chevy showed the fans he was all in this year by acquiring Stafford, Myers, Tlusty, and Stempniak.

I agree it is a function of the cap however

[Roof-Daddy]

Hanging onto to UFA's that have value, and then letting/having them walk for nothing on July 1st is not good asset management IMO, but sometimes it's necessary.

Flames were lucky enough to have their best UFA asset become expendable due to having plenty of depth, and also having young players stepping up.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Disagree with this. The Jets had a chance and needed to make a run to get to the playoffs. It wasn't bad asset management because Frolik should be replaced by someone in their prospect pool which is supposedly the deepest in the league.

Chevy showed the fans he was all in this year by acquiring Stafford, Myers, Tlusty, and Stempniak.

I agree it is a function of the cap however

Pretty much this. The Jets, and this isn't my opinion, are widely considered to be one of the deepest teams in the league strictly speaking in terms of youth coming up and drafted talent. Whether or not that turns out to be the case is another thing of course. But the Jets believe in building through the draft and signing a 2nd line player to 5 years at a highish cap hit wasn't just doesn't make sense when you have a lot of younger cheaper talent coming up. Would Chevy have wanted Frolik? Of course. But at 5 years I don't blame him for passing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Pretty much this. The Jets, and this isn't my opinion, are widely considered to be one of the deepest teams in the league strictly speaking in terms of youth coming up and drafted talent. Whether or not that turns out to be the case is another thing of course. But the Jets believe in building through the draft and signing a 2nd line player to 5 years at a highish cap hit wasn't just doesn't make sense when you have a lot of younger cheaper talent coming up. Would Chevy have wanted Frolik? Of course. But at 5 years I don't blame him for passing.

Again, until the kids actually take the jobs, you shouldn't just open the door for them and hand it to them.

Sign Frolik, and when a kid is ready for his job, trade him.

It really isn't that hard.

Edit: you are attempting to justify Chevy's position, simply on a 4 year vs 5 year issue. Which is really no issue at all.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, until the kids actually take the jobs, you shouldn't just open the door for them and hand it to them.

Sign Frolik, and when a kid is ready for his job, trade him.

It really isn't that hard.

Edit: you are attempting to justify Chevy's position, simply on a 4 year vs 5 year issue. Which is really no issue at all.

I'm no chevy fan at all.. I hate that he signed pavelec long term, and i hate his love affair with him. I dont like all his moves but on this one I def think there's a huge difference between 3, and even to some extent 4 years vs 5. Frolik simply isn't a corner piece of this team. He isn't someone that Jets should offer a 5 year deal too. The Flames were willing to do that, and that makes sense more for Calgary and Frolik.

to answer why not sign him and trade him, well, what happens if Froliks production tanks? Or you can't find a willing partner? Lots of variables. Short term this makes the Jets weaker than signing him of course but this is a long term move.

[Enoch Root]

I trust Frolik's track record.

So thanks for the player and I'll leave it at that.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I don't see Frolik getting more time on the PP .... basically competing with Raymond, Jones, Colbourne and Backlund for 2nd shift PP time.

Not really tough competition though

While looking this up I was really surprised that Frolik had the #7 PK TOI of Jets forwards..... One of the things that I noticed on CP was that he was going to really boost the Flames PK??

Yeah I expected him to have more. Still, our PK was in the bottom half over the season, so it's good to look for chances to upgrade.

We'll see how it works out.

[Gaskal]

Why in the hell would you want Raymond or Jones on the 2nd PP anyway

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Why in the hell would you want Raymond or Jones on the 2nd PP anyway

I can see Jones, a big body with half-way descent hands to sit in front of the net, but ya, Raymond doesn't need to be there.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, until the kids actually take the jobs, you shouldn't just open the door for them and hand it to them.

Sign Frolik, and when a kid is ready for his job, trade him.

It really isn't that hard.

Edit: you are attempting to justify Chevy's position, simply on a 4 year vs 5 year issue. Which is really no issue at all.

Obviously I hope Frolik is the second coming of Hudler on the Flames. This talk of a kid stealing a job and then trading him is a situation the Flames find themselves in right now with Raymond.

Raymond by all accounts lost his job to the likes of Gaudreau, Ferland, Bennett, etc. He put up pretty crappy numbers last year and with a modified NTC he could be tough to move

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Frolik simply isn't a corner piece of this team. He isn't someone that Jets should offer a 5 year deal too. The Flames were willing to do that, and that makes sense more for Calgary and Frolik.

Curious as to why? Are the Jets super deep at RW or something? Or a cap issue?

Also - I'm assuming that you watched the Jets a lot last year, and apologies if you've already done so and I missed it, but would appreciate your thoughts on Frolik as a player and as a fit for the Flames.

I really haven't seen him play much. Thx man

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by heep223

Curious as to why? Are the Jets super deep at RW or something? Or a cap issue?

Also - I'm assuming that you watched the Jets a lot last year, and apologies if you've already done so and I missed it, but would appreciate your thoughts on Frolik as a player and as a fit for the Flames.

I really haven't seen him play much. Thx man

Frolik is a very useful player. He's not a super star or anything but, a very reliable player. In Winnipeg he was seemingly getting a point every 2nd game and was literally all over our lines. Fans liked him too. He's a tough guy to lose out on, no doubt. I think a huge part of him being able to do that is he's so versatile and makes his linemates dangerous. He's a great vet.

I see this almost certainly as a cap issue. The Jets have stated before they would spend to the cap if they felt it made sense, and, they clearly have the revenue to do so... but you also have a lot of really young guys on the roster now and coming up. They're cheap at first but..gotta pay em eventually. I think more than any other one issue why Frolik is gone is it may signal the Jets intention to re-sign Buff. Trouba will command a massive raise.. the guys a Norris winner in the waiting in my opinion. mark scheifele is def going to get a raise soon. Then you likely want to extend guys like Wheeler and Ladd and Little etc.

Chevy was in a tough spot. The Jets made the post season last year which was awesome and proves he was right to keep Fro and not trade him.. but, woulda been nice to re-sign the guy. Jets just couldn't make that 5 year commitment though in a cap world. The Flames are much earlier in their rebuild than Winnipeg... in terms of salary and age anyways. They have a lot of young guys and not a lot of expensive players due up compared to Winnipeg. They have the room. Great deal for Calgary, Frolik. It's a cap world what can I say?